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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

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A majority of CH citizens has no passport
As is the case with most Americans, Canadians, etc.

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Old 15.10.2014, 23:29
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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If he was qualified enough for the ETH he was qualified enough for the Polytechnique. Had he taken residence in Richterswil/ZH or Wädenswil/ZH he now would be a citizen of the Canton of Zürich and so a Swiss national
yes, but the low taxes of Canton Schwyz obviously meant more to him than living in a civilized place. He payed the price. End of story.
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Old 15.10.2014, 23:32
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A red Porsche always shouts male menopause to me.
So what does my fleet of primered, unpainted, unwashed, Ducatis and Guzzis shout?

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Old 15.10.2014, 23:45
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Lets handle this the American way "IT`S OBAMAS FAULT"
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So what does my fleet of primered, unpainted, unwashed, Ducatis and Guzzis shout?

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Hopefully it is a bad case of male menopause too, or ..........
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

I think that any people make a mistake in thinking that Politics with a capital 'P' play a part in this. If you think that being a party aficionado will earn you citizenship you are sadly mistaken, unless you have major cash or influence. Even if you become Swiss, ifit is not in your bloodline, you will never be anything other than secondo.
You have to bow down to get it, prostrate yourself, to acquiesce to the patrony of the patron state, or pay through the nose.
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Wrong. He has lived near Einsiedeln since 1975. He is not from Zürich.

You can have your residence in a particular place for ages (Schlaf-Ort) but are not at home there. He defacto lived in Zürich since 1975, but slept in Einsiedeln.


I had residence in Adliswil from 2002 until 2009 but never got interested in local Adliswil affairs. I had residence in Glattbrugg since 2009 but never got interested in local Glattbrugg affairs. I not just am a citizen of the City of Zürich but always remained much interested in Zürich City politics
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

What a lot of b*******, really.

To become a UK citizen I had to swear my allegiance to the Queen and all the heirs. Now that is prostrating yourself Not sure I would do that now.
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I think that any people make a mistake in thinking that Politics with a capital 'P' play a part in this. If you think that being a party aficionado will earn you citizenship you are sadly mistaken, unless you have major cash or influence. Even if you become Swiss, ifit is not in your bloodline, you will never be anything other than secondo.
You have to bow down to get it, prostrate yourself, to acquiesce to the patrony of the patron state, or pay through the nose.

Old Indian proverb "It`s not who you know ,it`s who you blow"
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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

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As is the case with most Americans, Canadians, etc.

Tom

YES-AND-NO. Many Americans travel a lot, but within their large country. Swiss travellers use their identity cards as modern European countries accept the identity Cards. With the ID you can travel from Northern Scandinavia to Sicily and from Turkey to Portugal. You can get into the UK with the ID with a weird but fairly easy procedure.


I cannot tell about the Canadians. When I with a travel group back in 1976 visited the Canadian side of the Niagara Falls and an amazing rotating restaurant towards Toronto we simply entered our details on the group list--- HOWEVER, when I for a two hours visit to Mexico at the Rio Grande showd the Mexican Grandes the passport, everything was under control
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Re: These small minded people in Einsiedeln!

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You can have your residence in a particular place for ages (Schlaf-Ort) but are not at home there. He defacto lived in Zürich since 1975, but slept in Einsiedeln.


I had residence in Adliswil from 2002 until 2009 but never got interested in local Adliswil affairs. I had residence in Glattbrugg since 2009 but never got interested in local Glattbrugg affairs. I not just am a citizen of the City of Zürich but always remained much interested in Zürich City politics


If this is the case I should be citizen of the Kanton Thurgau ,St Gallen, Neuenburg and Schaffhausen .If you say Schlaff ort >never mind
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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Hopefully it is a bad case of male menopause too, or ..........
Depends, where are you on the scale between Ewan Mcgregor and Hairy biker cook? Generally women prefer a clean functional machine. But we digress, your machines are not Swiss and cannot apply for citizenship, however much you may love them.
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If this is the case I should be citizen of the Kanton Thurgau ,St Gallen, Neuenburg and Schaffhausen .If you say Schlaff ort >never mind

People are NOT citizens of the Schlaf-Ort. In our family we had the citizenship of a strange place in the Bernese Wilderness. Dad then, when I was 16, sent a letter. The state-chancellory sent a letter to us, we all had to countersign and return, and hey presto, we were citizens of TURICUM, the proud City of Zürich
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To become a UK citizen I had to swear my allegiance to the Queen
Nobody said it couldn't be Freddy Mercury.
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yes, but the low taxes of Canton Schwyz obviously meant more to him than living in a civilized place. He payed the price. End of story.
Just a point:

Einsiedeln isn't all that low tax. Running the mythical EF wage of 120K through the calculator, an Einsiedler pays only about 1K less than the good Burghers of Rüschlikon or the ZH gold coast.

It's the Ausserschwyz Gemeinden - specifically Höfe - that are very low tax.



(And next year when SZ taxes skyrocket... y'all can enjoy a big ol' helping of Schadenfreude. )
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Nobody said it couldn't be Freddy Mercury.

your native country and the USA played a rather strange role in me getting "done". Mum commuted between Schaffhausen and Zürich daily for more than a year until 1st April 1944 when Schaffhausen got bombarded. Mum was outraged and sent the picture of Ike otr of her room into the oven and replaced it by a pic of Field Marshal Kliment Woroschilov. Granddad however arranged that Mum got a room close to Paradeplatz in Zürich


She then married Mr S, but also met her good friend from Paris from 1938, Mr Mohammed Amir, all in all a rather complicated Situation. Mr Amir got killed by the Foreign Legion in the early 50ies

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People are NOT citizens of the Schlaf-Ort. In our family we had the citizenship of a strange place in the Bernese Wilderness. Dad then, when I was 16, sent a letter. The state-chancellory sent a letter to us, we all had to countersign and return, and hey presto, we were citizens of TURICUM, the proud City of Zürich
True, I am a citizen of Hallau although I had never been there before I became Swiss. I did visit the Hallau wine festival after I was Swiss. Only once, I am not a great fan of Swiss "land" wines
A nice Rioja Reserva is more my style.

Must admit to a weakness for Absinthe as you know Wolli
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there's nothing rednecked about it, a native Swiss who moved to Detroit, Michigan and then learned only the Queen's English would get the same treatment. it is part of the reason that learning American English without accent is so important to many of the young Swiss people I know, despite my constantly telling them that a dude with a Swiss accent in the US gets a lot more attention at the pub than just another dude who speaks English.

I had learnt British English in School and on Holidays between 1967 and 1975. and in Zürich did the Cambridge Proficiency in 1974, BUT in 1976, when visiting relatives in Texas had to learn a different language within two days. The wife of my cousin in Houston-Crosby/TX told me already on the first evening "" looook, we heeeeere in Teeexas do nooot speeeaak so faaast, so slooow down"


on holidays in Egypt I got acquainted with Egyptian Arabic


relatives in Toulon Hyères spoke Southern French and Bordelais French, while my uncle there spoke a mix of "Français Lausannois" "Français Neuchatelois" "Français Coloniale Maghrebine"


A woman I regarded as a kind of aunt, what she was not at all, spoke in her beautiful Pommern-Deutsch of Stettin, while the wife of my uncle in Geneva spoke "Budapäschterisch-Deutsch" (the most charming sort of German you can imagine)


I freely admit that such things ARE demanding, but if you try your very best to cope, you will always be accepted
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True, I am a citizen of Hallau although I had never been there before I became Swiss. I did visit the Hallau wine festival after I was Swiss. Only once, I am not a great fan of Swiss "land" wines
A nice Rioja Reserva is more my style.

Must admit to a weakness for Absinthe as you know Wolli

Rioja Reserva also is MY style, but Absynthe is not. I love Arak and Pastis and Ouzo but Absynthe is too strong for me


And Hallau ? Try the wines of Stein am Rhein which are miles better than the Hallau stuff
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Hopefully it is a bad case of male menopause too, or ..........
All too common for EF...
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