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Old 18.10.2014, 21:07
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I suppose the reason he had to go for interview was because we had not lived in CH for 5 years- whereas I imagine Tom had when he made his request.
9 or 10 at the time, 5-6 in the current place.

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Old 18.10.2014, 23:23
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Ahhhh, so that I presume that the blanket paper "Phos" had to sign was a confirmation that she had not been in a sham marriage but a real one and then send it to the Federal Justice and Police department EJPD
Nothing of the sort. I simply filled out the form, sent it to Bern, and they sent me my papers after two months. I don't even recall getting a phone call about it, and surely no interview.

I don't recall the form number. I'll pop it in if I do.

Now, my wife's family is quite well know in our 'hood, and the Gemeinde. Whether that had any bearing on the simplicity and speed it took, I wouldn't know. Perhaps someone picked it up without my knowing and walked it through.
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Old 19.10.2014, 00:00
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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Here is a case which demonstrates where the authority lies in "Facilitated Naturalisation". This is not relevant to the matter of the Professor from Einsiedeln because his case was one of "Regular Naturalisation". It is, however, relevant to the lively discussion between Mr. Wollishofner & Mr/Ms? Phos where "Facilitated Naturalisation" was the subject.
The newspaper article (German) describes a conflict between the Kanton and the Bundesamt für Migration over the naturalisation of a Chinese woman.

http://www.appenzellerzeitung.ch/ost...123832,3027687

and the legal basis is described here . . .
https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

a Federal Court only comes into the procedure at the end of the line
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Old 19.10.2014, 00:11
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Nothing of the sort. I simply filled out the form, sent it to Bern, and they sent me my papers after two months. I don't even recall getting a phone call about it, and surely no interview.

I don't recall the form number. I'll pop it in if I do.

Now, my wife's family is quite well know in our 'hood, and the Gemeinde. Whether that had any bearing on the simplicity and speed it took, I wouldn't know. Perhaps someone picked it up without my knowing and walked it through.

to put bluntly, your case IS out of the ordinary as it clearly was across three Levels at least -- -- Looks as if the Family in question has some clout--- but as easy and smooth as you describe it , it is not

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9 or 10 at the time, 5-6 in the current place.

Tom

In my case, only three years in Switzerland. No interview or meeting.

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to put bluntly, your case IS out of the ordinary as it clearly was across three Levels at least -- -- Looks as if the Family in question has some clout--- but as easy and smooth as you describe it , it is not

I guess mine was even more out of the ordinary then. It was even simpler.

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Old 19.10.2014, 04:40
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I guess mine was even more out of the ordinary then. It was even simpler.


It depends on the Canton but also on the commune. And also on personal links like the employer


Whatever, had he had his domicile in Wädenswil, Zürich or Winterthur, it would have worked in his favour. It might also have worked in Lachen/SZ (March-area) or Pföffikon/SZ but of course not up in Einsiedeln
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Old 19.10.2014, 06:15
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Was Tina Turner even ASKED about what we're the names of her neighbouring villages?
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Old 19.10.2014, 10:47
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Yea and probably she answered "What you get is what you see"
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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Old 19.10.2014, 16:28
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Ironically, I didn't care too much about Swiss citizenship, and was at first reluctant to apply. I didn't think I really needed it. The professor and many others go through a lot of trouble to get it, and obviously want it. I got mine in a few months with hardly any effort when it had no consequence in my life. Others are rejected when they apply and try too hard, and it has some impact on their lives. Such is life.

The professor said he would apply again. He said next time, he will try to express more "gung-ho" about Switzerland. If I can read his statement on the Internet, doesn't he realize his interviewers would have read it too?

Professor is probably reading this thread.
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Old 19.10.2014, 18:05
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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Committee? Not if he finds the Miss Right (CH) and is prepared to wait a bit.
(facilitated naturalisation).
I know of a case in Bern where the family got its CH Citizenship papers
along with a widowed mother,the latter who did not undergo any interview as she is Deutsche acquainted at all! Not a protest but it depends on a
Miss Right?
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

For me, "blöd amis" is the best explanation why he was denied.

It's been my experience that there are quite a few pockets of anti-americanism in Switzerland. On more than one occasion my mother has been referred to as "blöd Amis" or just condescendingly "Amis".
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For me, "blöd amis" is the best explanation why he was denied.
I want to agree with you but have no idea what it means...
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Old 19.10.2014, 21:06
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

"blöd amis" = stupid Americans.

Ditto blöd Engländer = stupid Brits... Hope that helps.

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For me, "blöd amis" is the best explanation why he was denied.

It's been my experience that there are quite a few pockets of anti-americanism in Switzerland. On more than one occasion my mother has been referred to as "blöd Amis" or just condescendingly "Amis".
I don't think this is true at all for the poor professor, or at least I suspect the fact that he is an American hurt him far less than several other factors.

getting called a "blöde ami" by a German would not particularly surprise me, but from someone in Switzerland it would seem terribly unusual and frankly far too direct and unimaginative. the succinctness of the insult would also seem unusual.

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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

It appears that the Citizenship panel (Einbürgerungskommission) of Einsiedeln have reacted positively to the extensive media coverage of this case and are preparing to review their decision. It looks like a sort of fast track repeat of parts of the process is now being considered which, if the professor brushes up his local geography and can quote a few names from the tennis club, should contribute to a positive outcome.

Tagesanzeiger (German):
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/28775815
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Was Tina Turner even ASKED about what we're the names of her neighbouring villages?

NO as her case as standard in the Canton of Zürich now was handled by the Cantonal government. As there was no objection from the place of residence, it went through smoothly
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For me, "blöd amis" is the best explanation why he was denied.

It's been my experience that there are quite a few pockets of anti-americanism in Switzerland. On more than one occasion my mother has been referred to as "blöd Amis" or just condescendingly "Amis".

blööde Ami & chaibe Lööli vo Züri & no än wiitere Reformierte was the deadly combination. They did not care about his having had his domicile up with them for decades.
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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

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I wonder whether some arrogance on his part didn't help his case?

I mean it would be quite difficult to argue why you didn't have much local geographical knowledge after so many years.
That was my first thought. With so much going for him in my opinion there realy could not be any other reason.

The Swiss dont take kindly to exceptionalism. Perhaps the Professor didnt see what happened to Blocher...
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