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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Does anybody know where he has been paying his taxes?
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Does anybody know where he has been paying his taxes?
Probably what every one was asking in Einsiedeln! As far as I know one can only apply for the citizenship of the Gemeinde that one is living in and that would be where he pays his tax.
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Old 06.01.2015, 18:48
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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It is not about foreseeing the future, but about knowing the rules of the game. "This kind of things "" also is known as ""Swiss Confederation""
Boo hoo. And he obviously didn't read The Prince of Machiavelli.
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

It could of course be that the cost of redecorating the Mayor of Einsiedeln's office is about SFr3000 and they had to raise the dosh somehow.
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Does anybody know where he has been paying his taxes?
YES, I do indeed- He worked in Zürich but was domiciled in Einsiedeln. And was an employee. And so, it was 100% Einsiedeln. Had he been self-employed it would have been 50/50 between the two places.

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It could of course be that the cost of redecorating the Mayor of Einsiedeln's office is about SFr3000 and they had to raise the dosh somehow.

I suppose you mean 30'000.-- ?
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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

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And how do you get back home from the villages down the hill?

by climbing back down, taking the bus and the train and the tram again, just as thousands of others
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by climbing back up, taking the bus and the train and the tram again, just as thousands of others
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

I just have one question out of curiosity. Of EF members reading this thread who are NOT Swiss citizens, are there any who have gone through the Swiss naturalisation process and have been rejected? I don't mean people who haven't lived in CH long enough to qualify for citizenship, but people who have and have actually tried to become Swiss. Because if everybody here who HAS tried has wound up with a red passport, it would certainly explain several things.
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Old 08.01.2015, 09:46
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

One thing to keep in mind:

The very same Gemeindeversammlung accepted 16 (if memory serves) other applications for naturalisation, that should rule out xenophobia.
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I just have one question out of curiosity. Of EF members reading this thread who are NOT Swiss citizens, are there any who have gone through the Swiss naturalisation process and have been rejected?
I know quite a few have gone through it, US, I, N, D, F, A, and EG, but no-one who was rejected.

On the other hand, everyone I know from Einsiedeln is a native.

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I just have one question out of curiosity. Of EF members reading this thread who are NOT Swiss citizens, are there any who have gone through the Swiss naturalisation process and have been rejected? I don't mean people who haven't lived in CH long enough to qualify for citizenship, but people who have and have actually tried to become Swiss. Because if everybody here who HAS tried has wound up with a red passport, it would certainly explain several things.
Maybe he p***ed off some important locals. He should have read at least "How to influence people and make friends"...

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I know quite a few have gone through it, US, I, N, D, F, A, and EG, but no-one who was rejected.

On the other hand, everyone I know from Einsiedeln is a native.

Tom
On the other hand, I tend to agree with Wollli. One must be a bit naive to move to Einsiedeln.
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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Does anybody know where he has been paying his taxes?
Isn't the whole reason people move to Schwyz that they don't like paying taxes?
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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

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I've been asking around at work, and it seems there's more to this story than the papers are letting on.


Back in February, the citizens of Einsiedeln were celebrating their traditional Zwergenjagd. This only takes place once every twenty four years, and the locals are very proud to take part in it.


This year, as a result of the unusually mild winter, there weren't many dwarves around, and after three days of hard riding over the hills and dales of Schwyz the disappointed hunters were only able to bring back one rather weedy looking specimen, dangling disconsolately from a fence post, trussed up like a turkey.


The gentleman in question was invited to execute the coup-de-grace in honour of his living in the town for 40 years (Schwyz timekeeping starts at 1 rather than 0. Confusing or what?). He was given a mallet and blindfold for the purpose, then led to the Klosterplatz where the unfortunate dwarf lay helpless on a trestle table, its little white beard quivering and its little curly toes twitching in fear.


The Professor, despite earlier bravado amongst his friends in the Zwergschlagereiverein, found himself unable to do it. He dropped the mallet and fled the square, leaving the townsfolk tutting and shaking their heads in disgust.


Having squandered such a great honour, the Professor had no hope of ever being accepted back into the community again. Nobody looks him in the eye any more, shopkeepers refuse to serve him and he is obliged to drop his rubbish bags in a specially provided skip at the university in Zurich as the local binmen won't touch them.


Of course, this hasn't made it into the papers as the Zwergenjagd is seen as a barbaric, heathen custom and non-Einsiedlers would rather forget it ever existed. But that's what really happened. My mate Hans-Ueli wouldn't lie, would he?


I hope that clears things up somewhat.


(The dwarf, by the way, was drowned in a bucket by a local butcher and made into smoked sausages. Apparently they're quite delicious, although they have a tendency to be a bit hairy.)
Am I a tad naive or is this the most credible explanation of what realy happened?

There are indeed some strange customs in SUI. But to be fair this can be said of every country/culture yes?

In any event a trained professional should be well aware of the art of preparation and the fact that by-and-large it is 90% of the job and indeed in the case of the interview preparation is pretty much 100% of the job.

Therefore the man in question screwed up.

If the story stated by Dougal is true then then the man should have been well aware of the gravity of the Dwarf deal (whatever the hell that is).

However it appears he was not. And to be fair he should not have been handed the privilege of smacking the Dwarf.

I suppose the story does sound a bit outlandish but to hell with it, sometimes I like to allow others (especially the kids!) to lead me up the garden path.

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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

I've never set foot in Switzerland, but from what little I know, enough people have gotten through the difficult process of Swiss naturalisation to say that the system isn't broken. And of these "enough people"---which include several members of this forum---not all of them are white, not all of them are Europeans, not all of them are non-Americans, and not all of them are even native speakers of their canton's official language.

That being said, and even granted that he could have done things differently, I cannot help but feel sympathy for Irving Dunn. I know that if I had to have the same ties to what is now my home town that Switzerland requires in order to gain citizenship, I would not be an American citizen. If I were in Prof. Dunn's shoes, I would seriously consider moving---if not from Switzerland---then at least from Einsiedeln.
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