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Old 14.10.2014, 18:07
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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So you didn't see the posts by olygirl and then myself where it describes that required information was made available to the applicants?
And from our own experience, we were handed a couple of sheets of facts and were told to learn them as we might be asked about them at the interview, which we were.
A Serbian neighbour of mine did the test not too long ago. He said he didn't get all the questions right by a long stretch and actually thought he had flunked the test. To his surprise they decided his answers were good enough even if they didn't match the set answers. They gave him the thumbs up and congratulated him on his ability to use his general knowledge and combinative abilities rather than relying on the set material. I think it also helped that he is a very friendly and likeable sort of bloke who does everything with a smile and that no doubt helped him.
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Old 14.10.2014, 18:11
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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I did in fact read the report summary where it highlighted the documentation that had been provided to the applicant, and the nature of the information required to be demonstrated during the interview is also readily available on the internet. we must just have different definitions of "spoon fed".
Well, when someone hands me some specific information and says "This is what we're going to ask you at the interview", I think that pretty much falls within most people's definition of "spoon fed".
But not yours, obviously.
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Well, when someone hands me some specific information and says "This is what we're going to ask you at the interview", I think that pretty much falls within most people's definition of "spoon fed".
But not yours, obviously.
I think that I was not the person handed the information, and therefore have absolutely zero idea what specifically the information was other than what is indicated on the website for the gemeinde (which provides the same list outlined in the report). Under those circumstances, using a term like "spoon fed" requires a degree of inductive reasoning with which I am apparently not adequately endowed.

nowhere in the report does it suggest, btw, that any of the applicants were told what was going to be asked of them at the interview, only that foundational knowledge of the local geography, politics, etc. was to be expected. again, it seems to me we are assuming facts not yet in evidence.

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Old 14.10.2014, 18:41
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

I think citizenship should be automatic after so many years legal and crime free residence.
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Old 14.10.2014, 18:46
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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

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Honestly I am shocked.
Is it possible that I work in switzerland for 10-30 years, build a family and be traded like I am not deserving swiss citizenship after 30 years?
You shouldn't be shocked - it happens, and probably more often than one thinks.

What one must understand is that no one 'deserves' Swiss citizenship - it's a privilege, not a right. You don't earn Swiss citizenship, you are granted it.

I am surprised that several posters are surprised at the subjective nature of the citizenship process in this case. Is the process is different in more 'administrative' cantons?

Certainly in SZ it's well known that applying for citizenship is not a case of 'check all the boxes on this list' and you qualify. No, checking all the boxes only gets you into the first round.

How long one has lived here, how one has contributed to the Swiss economy, are not deciding factors. Lack of contribution might disqualify you, but positive contribution will not necessarily help you. And certainly, past contribution might be viewed as irrelevant.

The typical professional expat living in SZ will likely have a smaller chance of being granted naturalization, if only for the reason that working an 80 hour week at the office in Zürich precludes joining the local Mannerchor, the Veloverein, the Wanderfreunde, the Frauenverein - all necessary if one sets naturalization as a goal.

The most important criteria (I hesitate to use the word, as the decision is subjective) is how your neighbors, local business people, the local priest or minister (or insert the Powers That Be of your choice), the folks gathered round the Stammtish feel about you.

So if citizenship is a goal... for goodness sake, think twice before you p*ss off the Geraniumpolizei!
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Old 14.10.2014, 19:16
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Veering off topic, but how many of you could pass your own country’s citizenship tests?

Brits:
http://www.thelifeinuktest.co.uk/3rd-edition-2013.php (Not an official source, but the best I could find with a cursory google.)

Americans:
http://www.uscis.gov/node/46320

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Old 14.10.2014, 19:29
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Passed the first 3 for UK with 80+%- but it isnt' my country of birth
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Old 14.10.2014, 19:34
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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

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What a load of simplistic bollocks.
We shall see how it progresses if he chooses to appeal to the canton.

One thing, however, is clear. He would get a much more sympathetic treatment if he were to be judged by Blick readers than he would by English Forum members.
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What a load of simplistic bollocks.
In which case, I can only repeat PG's wise words- you just don't get it, do you?
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Old 14.10.2014, 20:22
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Maybe he flushed his toilet after 10pm and frequently used the washing machine on someone else's alloted day.
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Old 14.10.2014, 20:44
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These small minded people in Einsiedeln!

He's from USA and has been here for 40 Years and worked at the ETH helping young Swiss. And now they deny him Swiss Citizenship. Is it because he's from USA? What do you Americans here think about this? I am sure they were all SVP who voted against him.
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Old 14.10.2014, 20:45
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Re: These small minded people in Einsiedeln!

Waaaaaay ahead of you:

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Old 14.10.2014, 20:46
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Re: These small minded people in Einsiedeln!

Damn, you beat me to it Lucy!
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Old 14.10.2014, 20:50
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Damn, you beat me to it Lucy!
Slicker than a greased weasel, that's me.
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Old 14.10.2014, 21:07
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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

Yes " medieval " is the right word for it! They probably thought to themselves " this smart ass Ami-who does he think he is. Lets show him a thing or two" !
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As I said before, one does not simply become Swiss. One has to first become a citizen of a town. It is the community who decides who will become a citizen of the community. Attached to that comes the citizenship of the canton and finally the federal citizenship. It is an archaic process (o.k medieval) with a long tradition. Resulting in the fact that your place of birth is less important then your place of citizenship.
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Old 14.10.2014, 21:12
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

In an interview in the "Südostschweiz" newspaper, he says he cannot understand why, he must prove that he is intergriert in Switzerland.
A provocation from him?
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Old 14.10.2014, 21:20
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

well he's left alot of shit here in the dunny-that should qualify him right ?
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In an interview in the "Südostschweiz" newspaper, he says he cannot understand why, he must prove that he is intergriert in Switzerland.
A provocation from him?
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In an interview in the "Südostschweiz" newspaper, he says he cannot understand why, he must prove that he is intergriert in Switzerland.
A provocation from him?
Well, after 39 years of living here from which probably 29 were served as a professor at the allegedly most reputed university in Switzerland....I should think he didn't really need to prove he was integrated. He obviously wasn't going to rely on the social system, he learned the local language, he has children living here...heh, you'd think these are things that count.
Always difficult to please one's co-villagers. See, he wasn't humble enough.
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Yes " medieval " is the right word for it! They probably thought to themselves " this smart ass Ami-who does he think he is. Lets show him a thing or two" !
being viewed as a Zürcher who couldn't be bothered to make local friends probably hurt him a lot worse than being an Ami.
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Old 14.10.2014, 21:42
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

well i am sure that Einsiedeln is infested by SVP virus
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