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Old 14.10.2014, 22:02
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

I some how agree with the decision, he does`t give a crap about the locals
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Re: Retired ETH professor: After 39 years not integrated enough for Swiss naturalisat

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Agree with you, but what surprises me at this particular case is the fact that he lived here for 39 years and only now did he apply for citizenship. Why now then, why at all?
inheritance tax?

Why pay that to the US when he has lived here for 3 decades and raised his children here as well?
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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I think what many people are also missing is that he didn't even bother to learn the required information; this for me speaks volumes more than simply not knowing it in the first place. As far as the Einsiedeln authorities are concerned, if he couldn't even be bothered to learn what he was spoon fed in order to pass the exam, it doesn't speak much for his motivation to be naturalised.
We assume a lot, in this thread.


None of the given links speaks about him being arrogant, lazy or whatever.


All the articles (N.B. the beforelinked Einsiedler Gemeinderatsbrief, too) claim is that the prof. couldn't mendtion all of the community's parts and that he is judged not sufficiently ("kaum") informed about local issues. Plus having "kaum" local friends and aiming at personal advantages (since when participation in civil rights and duties is no advantage?).


Looks supiscious to me.
Even a person ever making a step outside his door could well mention the name of every hole in those crappy streets of his sh**ty innerschweizer Gemeinde, after 39 years. For my part, I could even suggest a good place for reinstalling good old Guillotine for getting rid of lazy public employees, uncle Napaione forgot to take with himself to Elba.
Not to mention that we are talking an ex uni prof, who would barely fail in remembering things like the town's quarters names he and his family have been driving through quite a million times. That would be ridiculous, and those Gemeinde staff must be really stupid to believe that (do you believe that?).


In Ticino there were cases that the Gemeinde naturalization committee wanted to test the Italian language level of the applicants, from Italy. Some of them refused to ask for Swiss citizenship, after that gaffe.


The guy from Einsiedeln looks like a rebel to me. Or maybe he was in need of some PR for his newest book?
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

All those years ago he should have chosen the EPFL it seems.
If he was qualified enough that is.
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Old 14.10.2014, 22:40
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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I understand and agree that there should be a test and in my eyes can the bar be set quite high: I think immigrants need to put an effort into learning the local language in order to really take part in social life (in Germany is the biggest group of immigrants Turkish and the fact that first gen men learn German at work while their wives can live in the country for decades without even minimal German is causing a parallel society which is bad). I also think it's important that any immigrant should understand the social and political system and within the democratic spectrum agree to the fundamentals. You should not just get a passport because it is convenient, you should identify yourself with the new country. But I fail to see why the exact village should be of importance at all. If one knows all the cantons, but not the third village up the hill in the direction he never drives as he goes to Zurich - does this really disqualify him from being a good Swiss?
Your statement is correct to an extend. Yes they came to work and yes the wives who were at home taking care of the family didn't integrate.

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Indeed. The government didn't do anything to help them integrate into the German society. It let them to themselves. What about German classes? Any kind of integration programs?

The next generations had the chance to go to school and learn the language, mix with German kids, etc. but frankly, I see also my nieces and nephews having little amount of german friends. Having a little friend telling you he can't play with you because his parents don't want him to play with turks is still very 2014.

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I some how agree with the decision, he does`t give a crap about the locals
The evidence would suggest that the converse is true.
I wouldn't mind having a university professor for a neighbour, what's the problem I wonder?
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What about German classes?


as with everything, the greatest truths are often told in jest.
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Old 14.10.2014, 23:04
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as with everything, the greatest truths are often told in jest.
Ok, that was hilarious. Hubby pissed himself laughing.
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Not half as funny as the original ...

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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

He's probably some leftist scum so screw him!

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He's probably some leftist scum so screw him!

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He would have mingled with the less fortunate, wouldn't he ?
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He's probably some leftist scum so screw him!

Tom
A leftist in ETH living in Schwyz? A masochist leftist then.
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Tages-Anzeiger article gives additional information on Einsiedeln's rejection of Prof. Dunn's naturalisation application:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/21331686
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Tages-Anzeiger article gives additional information on Einsiedeln's rejection of Prof. Dunn's naturalisation application:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/21331686
he wan't invited to any Swiss home in 39 years, makes you think
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

Even he agrees he didn't perform well. And why only now, after 39 years? So, the justification of the rejection sounds just right. Although, on the other hand, rejecting a prof who lived the best part of his life there, not causing any issues... I'm sure there are some Swiss as well, who don't give a flying duck about local politics.
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Einsiedeln (SZ) rejected the Swiss citizenship application of a 75 year-old retired American, who had been an chemical engineering professor at the ETH, due to lack of integration. According to 20 Minuten, his application was rejected specifically due to his lack of knowledge of local politics and geography although he passed tests of basic Swiss political knowledge and demonstrated sufficient German skills. Furthermore, his financial affairs were in order and he had a good reputation. He has lived in Einsiedeln for 39 years, raised three children there and taught and researched at the ETH for 30 years. The naturalisation commission stated it presumed that he was seeking citizenship for personal benefits and security, although it is not clear from the article whether this weighed on the decision. His CHF 3'600 application fee was not refunded:

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zentrals...rgert-25550285


Had he lived in Zürich (including ZH Suburbia) he now would have the Swiss citizenship


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Even he agrees he didn't perform well. And why only now, after 39 years? So, the justification of the rejection sounds just right. Although, on the other hand, rejecting a prof who lived the best part of his life there, not causing any issues... I'm sure there are some Swiss as well, who don't give a flying duck about local politics.

I presume that this man is NOT Roman Catholic




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A retired American professor tried to get a Swiss passport after living over 39 years in Switzerland. He
- has been teaching at ETH for 3 decades,
- has three adult children who grew up in the country,
- is part of various local clubs
- speaks German well enough
- good financial record
- no criminal record and locals recommending him for naturalisation

His request was turned down on the basis of lacking geography and local politics knowledge. (His friends apparently do not live in the village he lives in, he did not name the six next villages around his correctly and he was not aware of some local village politics topics). He will still have to pay 3600 CHF for the application and legal process.

He can bring his case to the court of canton Schwyz if he decides to fight his case.

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zentrals...rgert-25550285


Rather then bringing the case to the Canton Schwyz court he might move to Richterswil/ZH and solve the matter within a few years

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he wan't invited to any Swiss home in 39 years, makes you think
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In den 39 Jahren sei er kaum in einem Schweizer Haushalt gewesen
He claims to have been to very few Swiss housholds. This actually means, that he was invited a few times.
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He claims to have been to very few Swiss housholds. This actually means, that he was invited a few times.

NO it does not


I presume that
HE meant Schweiz households
amd THEY meant Schwyz households


anyone applying for citizenship here applies to the citizenship of the canton and NOT of the confederation


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he wan't invited to any Swiss home in 39 years, makes you think

you think wrongly. He certainly got invited to Schweiz households, for examply in Zürich, but NOT to households in Schwyz


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Agree with you, but what surprises me at this particular case is the fact that he lived here for 39 years and only now did he apply for citizenship. Why now then, why at all?

People up in Einsiedeln do not want to get more and more people from Zürich, in fear to become Zürichized --- protestanized

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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

"Schweiz Aktuell" presented a short news program on Einsiedeln's rejection of Prof. Dunn's citizenship application:

http://www.srf.ch/news/regional/zent...den-roten-pass
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Even he agrees he didn't perform well. And why only now, after 39 years? So, the justification of the rejection sounds just right. Although, on the other hand, rejecting a prof who lived the best part of his life there, not causing any issues... I'm sure there are some Swiss as well, who don't give a flying duck about local politics.
He was also described as an introvert and career focused person by his friends. I don't see why he should have gone out of his way to preserve some convenience relations with the locals, although he is said to be part of some local clubs etc. This guy was honest, isn't that what the Swiss would normally appreciate?
Whatever, after 39 years, without causing any problems, he should have been granted citizenship anyway. Of course there will be Swisser than the Swiss here (you know the type) who will argue this ad nauseam.
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