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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

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Here some of the US questions, look if you would pass:

What did Susan B. Anthony do?
Name one state that borders Mexico.
Name one state that borders Canada.
What is one responsibility that is only for United States citizens?*
What are two Cabinet-level positions?
What is the supreme law of the land?
What is the name of the Vice President of the United States now?
Who is in charge of the executive branch?
What are two rights in the Declaration of Independence?
Who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
How many amendments does the Constitution have?
What does the Constitution do?

Duh! I had to help my kids study for AP US History and Politics. I also had to study it for Law and in any case they give it all to you on a CD when you take your citizenship test. I have seen almost all the states, driven through a lot of them!


No, I think they should ask Swiss in the US to name local villages, local cultural practices, name Native Americans whom they are friends with, local delicacies, involvement in local politics, charities, community organizations, explain the rules of US football, history of each town, local industry etc. Do you know what the local delicacy that is found on the beach in California?
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Do you know what the local delicacy that is found on the beach in California?
Sand.

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Sand.

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I thought it was funny weed...or is that only Santa Cruz
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No, I think they should ask Swiss in the US to name ... local cultural practices,
setting fire to crosses with one's head covered by a bedsheet?

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explain the rules of US football
1. buy popcord
2. eat popcorn
3, go to 1.

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Do you know what the local delicacy that is found on the beach in California?
Dead fish with Japanese radiation?

Sorry, couldn't resist. No offence intended.

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Old 15.10.2014, 12:15
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Here some of the US questions, look if you would pass:
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What are two rights in the Declaration of Independence?
I don't know, but I'm pretty sure they don't make a wrong.
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Do you know what the local delicacy that is found on the beach in California?
It is a clam. There is quota and you may need a permit.
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship

What is the Swiss equivalent of a Geoduck? I have seen a better video of a cook digging it up and cooking to a local recipe with sea grass or sea sorrel? but here it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNnWeu0yDs4
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No, I think they should ask Swiss in the US to name local villages, local cultural practices, name Native Americans whom they are friends with, local delicacies, involvement in local politics, charities, community organizations, explain the rules of US football, history of each town, local industry etc. Do you know what the local delicacy that is found on the beach in California?
In the US you become a US citizen. End of Story.
In Switzerland you become the citizen of a town. Attached to that is the citizenship of the canton, attached to that is the Swiss citizenship.

It is different, hence the local questions.

In conclusion: The real answer to the so often asked question: "How to I get the Swiss passport" is "You become a citizen of a Swiss town!"
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Re: American professor denied Swiss citizenship



Looks like a dick.
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It is a clam. There is quota and you may need a permit.
Come on! Everyone knows it's bong hits followed by stuffing your face full of Carne asadas. MMmmm Carne asada
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In the US you become a US citizen. End of Story.
In Switzerland you become the citizen of a town. Attached to that is the citizenship of the canton, attached to that is the Swiss citizenship.

It is different, hence the local questions.

In conclusion: The real answer to the so often asked question: "How to I get the Swiss passport" is "You become a citizen of a Swiss town!"

When I took my US citizenship test, I was reminded that it was my duty to vote and not squander the rights that citizenship bestowed. You are registered to vote in local elections, you are therefore a citizen of that town and should get to know the local traditions, politics etc. The Swiss in me appreciates this and obviously so do you ( ASwissintheUS) as you bothered to research the geoduck. As Swiss appreciate this, their US citizenship test should be built on local questions primarily- this matches their cognitive construct of the world. I'm off to bed with the image of a geoduck in my head.
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What is the Swiss equivalent of a Geoduck?
Fondue.

Fondue is also the equivalent of BBQ, KFC, Lobster, TexMex, Empire State Building, Céline Dion Las Vegas Theater, californian plastic boobs and of most cherished things in other cultures.

Raclette is the fancy equivalent of fondue.

Anything else is inferior to fondue.
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not really. if they don't know anything about it, then why do they want to join?

it would be like someone saying:

"hey, i wanna join your club. let me in"
"so, do you like rowing then?"
"oh, it's a rowing club? nah. don't know anything about it, but i hear you guys get 50% off at the lakeside bar."
"erm. no thanks. bye"
You just described 99.999% of the human population when it comes to religion. If we had a choice in our citizenship, I bet everyone but the immigrants would fare the same.

Knowledge seems like a pretty arbitrary bar to judge citizenship.
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I could only find a more vague statement:
"Der Gesuchsteller konnte die Ortschaften des Bezirks Einsiedeln (die sechs Viertel) nicht vollständig aufzählen."
What is the source for your statement or have I missed something ?
Source: http://www.srf.ch/news/regional/zent...den-roten-pass
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To me it just shows so clearly that this decision process, like many in Switzerland, is completely subjective. A select few get to determine the decision. As an American who also got Swiss citizenship from canton Schwyz, it's literally embarrassing how easy it was. Subjective...

You can claim all day that this guy was becoming a citizen of the village but I would say if the entire village voted he would have likely gotten it. It's subjective judgement by a few locals.
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It's subjective judgement by a few locals.
The definition of democracy is allowing your affairs to be ruled by the subjective and often misinformed opinions of that subset of the population who can be *rsed to vote.

This is why some nations are fighting their democractic oppressors and asking to be ruled by dictators, whose opinions are as we all know never subjective or misinformed.
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The definition of democracy is allowing your affairs to be ruled by (…) subjective (…) opinions.
From a strictly philosophical point of view, there is no problem with this. Subjectivity is fine, the poster Brooks85 actually meant arbitrary.

Why should any decision be any more objective than any other decision? What makes a choice objective when one would first have to define what objectivity in Ethics could be? Even the kantian categorical imperative is nothing more than an intuitive based axiom. Objectivity must be defined as universal certainty in order to avoid being undermined by its own definition because anything else shorter of absoluteness can be questioned. But if the unquestionable becomes the necessary criterium for certainty, why doesn't it preexist to the argument about it?
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From a strictly philosophical point of view, there is no problem with this. Subjectivity is fine, the poster Brooks85 actually meant arbitrary.

Why should any decision be any more objective than any other decision? What makes a choice objective when one would first have to define what objectivity in Ethics could be? Even the kantian categorical imperative is nothing more than an intuitive based axiom. Objectivity must be defined as universal certainty in order to avoid being undermined by its own definition because anything else shorter of absoluteness can be questioned. But if the unquestionable becomes the necessary criterium for certainty, why doesn't it preexist to the argument about it?
I think you would also need to define arbitrary. Arbitrary as in random? I don't think people cast votes randomly. They have a reason, but that reason may not always stand up well to logical criticism. So I think subjective describes it better than arbitrary.

And seeing a democratic majority is the aggregate of a large number of subjective decisons, does not the distinction between arbitariness and subjectivity of those atomic contributors to the aggregate decision fade into irrelevance?
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To me it just shows so clearly that this decision process, like many in Switzerland, is completely subjective. A select few get to determine the decision. As an American who also got Swiss citizenship from canton Schwyz, it's literally embarrassing how easy it was. Subjective...

You can claim all day that this guy was becoming a citizen of the village but I would say if the entire village voted he would have likely gotten it. It's subjective judgement by a few locals.
Yes in the end it is subjective. Just like when I would apply for the citizenship of Einsiedeln or any other Swiss town.

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Actually, 2 Serbs, 1 Turk, 3 Croats, 6 Germans, 1 Bosnian, 2 Italians, and 1 Sri Lankan.
got the Einsiedler (and Swiss) citizenship.

There are just two options:
A) He majorly foocked it up - Which means he is not integrated, as he does not know and cherish Swiss traditions and law
B) He is majorly foocked up - Because he stepped on the toes of a local a long tme ago.

PS: B is certainly true after this whole thing went to the media.
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sechs Viertel? Maybe he named just four of them?
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