Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Swiss politics/news
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 24.10.2014, 17:46
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 5,059
Groaned at 40 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 7,129 Times in 3,239 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
But as he has not come back to explain in more detail what happened- it's difficult to comment further.
After her/his/its team lost and she/he/it was escorted back to the border the full power of the Grenzwachtkoprs is no clear:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama...story/20219957
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 24.10.2014, 17:46
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 8,978
Groaned at 140 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 12,263 Times in 5,012 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

Abraham Lincoln
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt . -- George Eliot

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-- Abraham Lincoln (also attr. Confucius)

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain (1835-1910)

Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. -- Bible, 'Proverbs' 17:28.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post:
  #63  
Old 24.10.2014, 17:54
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The World
Posts: 627
Groaned at 98 Times in 52 Posts
Thanked 399 Times in 218 Posts
Capo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthy
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
Anyone been in Milano Centrale station lately? I was there last month, part of the station is now reserved for Syrian refugees. It is staffed by Italian volunteers who provide support to refugee families.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...l-station.html
Quote:
View Post
It's quite a large station. Are you really sure that it was empty? Here's another link to a description of the situation there (with photos)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9717313.html

"Part of Milano Centrale resembles a refugee camp. Bottles of water are handed out by aid workers beneath huge screens advertising Dolce & Gabbana clothes. A humanitarian helpdesk offers advice. A shuttle service to a nearby camp is swamped. Outside the station newsagents, a Save The Children play area has been erected, where children play on foam mats and colour pictures."
I was there a month or so ago and I didn't see anything like that.

Last week there was a "stop invasion" demonstration by the Lega Nord.
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 24.10.2014, 17:58
eddiejc1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Derwood, MD USA
Posts: 983
Groaned at 20 Times in 18 Posts
Thanked 639 Times in 355 Posts
eddiejc1 has an excellent reputationeddiejc1 has an excellent reputationeddiejc1 has an excellent reputationeddiejc1 has an excellent reputation
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
Not really, they have a tendency to knock and ask [emphasis mine] for entry, rather than breaking down doors accompanied by flashbangs and stun grenades.

It's a small but essential difference.
Do Swiss citizens have the right to refuse entry if the police do not have a warrant or produce any probable cause? (I'd like to think non-citizens also have these rights, but for the time being let's stick to Swiss citizens.)

P.S. Keep in mind I'm very well aware of the police has done in my country. If the United States isn't a police state already, we're damn close and the protections supposedly guaranteed by the Sixth Ammendment are in many cases nothing more than a fig leaf. But we still have that fig leaf. It worries me when posters say Switzerland doesn't even have that fig leaf at all.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 24.10.2014, 18:00
miniMia's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: romandie
Posts: 8,852
Groaned at 86 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 7,398 Times in 3,732 Posts
miniMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
Are you sure?

Tom
Quote:
View Post
Isn't Tiziana a girl's name?
I've never met a boy named Tiziana. Though I've never met a boy named Sue either.

Of course, that might not be her real name just like Tom might not be Tom's real name.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank miniMia for this useful post:
  #66  
Old 24.10.2014, 18:55
ETH Frau's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Wish I Was in Zürich
Posts: 54
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 22 Times in 14 Posts
ETH Frau has no particular reputation at present
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Thanks to having read this thread yesterday, when I was on the train to Basel today with my parents (who are heading off for a river cruise), the border patrol (or some guys with a dog) stuck their badges in our faces, I figured out that we should show our identification. Of course my folks had their passports on them, and my husband and I pulled out our residence permits.

I'm sure we looked suspicious!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank ETH Frau for this useful post:
  #67  
Old 24.10.2014, 19:27
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 5,059
Groaned at 40 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 7,129 Times in 3,239 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
Do Swiss citizens have the right to refuse entry if the police do not have a warrant or produce any probable cause? (I'd like to think non-citizens also have these rights, but for the time being let's stick to Swiss citizens.)

P.S. Keep in mind I'm very well aware of the police has done in my country. If the United States isn't a police state already, we're damn close and the protections supposedly guaranteed by the Sixth Ammendment are in many cases nothing more than a fig leaf. But we still have that fig leaf. It worries me when posters say Switzerland doesn't even have that fig leaf at all.
now I was wondering myself. Police is Cantonal matter. Mentioned was explicitely Canton Bern, From its Polizeigesetz :

Quote:
Art. 39

Betreten und Durchsuchen von Räumlichkeiten
1 Die Kantonspolizei [Fassung vom 11. 3. 2007] darf Häuser, Wohnungen und Räumlichkeiten ohne Einwilligung der berechtigten Person nur betreten und durchsuchen
a
zur Abwehr einer gegenwärtigen erheblichen Gefahr für die öffentliche Sicherheit und Ordnung;
b
wenn Verdacht besteht, dass sich dort eine Person befindet, die widerrechtlich festgehalten wird;
c
wenn Verdacht besteht, dass sich dort eine Person befindet, die in Gewahrsam genommen werden darf oder
d
wenn Grund zur Annahme besteht, dass eine Person zum Schutz von Leib und Leben Hilfe bedarf.
2 Wenn in den Fällen von Absatz 1 Buchstaben a bis c die Einwilligung der berechtigten Person nicht vorliegt, hat die Kantonspolizei [Fassung vom 11. 3. 2007] einen schriftlichen Auftrag der örtlich zuständigen Regierungsstatthalterin oder des örtlich zuständigen Regierungsstatthalters einzuholen, es sei denn, es liege Gefahr in Verzug. Beim Handeln ohne schriftlichen Auftrag ist über das Vorgehen und dessen Begründung ein besonderes Protokoll zu erstellen.
3 Im Falle von Absatz 1 Buchstabe d ist die Zustimmung der zuständigen übergeordneten Polizeibehörde einzuholen, es sei denn, es liege Gefahr in Verzug.
4 Die Massnahme wird in Gegenwart der Person durchgeführt, welche die Sachherrschaft ausübt. Ist sie abwesend, so muss eine andere Person zugezogen werden. Auf Verlangen wird ein Protokoll erstellt und ausgehändigt.
The problem lies in "Gefahr in Verzug", which means if the police has probable cause and they think they can not wait for a warrant they can enter.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #68  
Old 24.10.2014, 19:46
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 18,140
Groaned at 927 Times in 723 Posts
Thanked 19,716 Times in 9,478 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
I've never met a boy named Tiziana.
Maybe it's a typo, and it's really Tiziano.

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #69  
Old 24.10.2014, 23:15
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 2,086
Groaned at 34 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 2,069 Times in 1,057 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
You assume I had not the ticket.. Plus, it is not not the point I am rematking:

The law is clear: Swiss customs officials they do not have the right.
First, that Swiss customs officials do not have the right to carry out passport controls. According to the Schengen Accords these are to be carried out at the first point of entry into 'Schengenland' by immigration officials. Of course, customs officials can ask for identification if they have grounds to suspect someone of committing a crime against the customs laws.

Swiss customs officials have no right to enforce fines. They can levy fines but only courts can enforce the fines after providing due process.
Please read Title III, article 21 and the supporting case law - you will be amazed at what you'll discover
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 24.10.2014, 23:51
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Was Belgium now Neuchâtel
Posts: 8,212
Groaned at 60 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 10,236 Times in 4,920 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
Maybe it's a typo, and it's really Tiziano.

Tom
Surely you can't make that many typos. Typing Tom instead of Tiziano once or twice maybe but thousands of times?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post:
  #71  
Old 25.10.2014, 10:10
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 18,140
Groaned at 927 Times in 723 Posts
Thanked 19,716 Times in 9,478 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
Surely you can't make that many typos. Typing Tom instead of Tiziano once or twice maybe but thousands of times?
Once, actually.

Where did you see thousands?

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 25.10.2014, 10:28
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Was Belgium now Neuchâtel
Posts: 8,212
Groaned at 60 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 10,236 Times in 4,920 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
I've never met a boy named Tiziana. Though I've never met a boy named Sue either.

Of course, that might not be her real name just like Tom might not be Tom's real name.
Quote:
View Post
Maybe it's a typo, and it's really Tiziano.

Tom

Quote:
View Post
Once, actually.

Where did you see thousands?

Tom
You've got over 12 000 posts. If your name really is Tiziano you've been spelling it wrong an awful lot of times. ( in response to miniMia's statement that your name may not be Tom)

Last edited by Belgianmum; 25.10.2014 at 10:59. Reason: Added extra quotes
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post:
  #73  
Old 26.10.2014, 00:41
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 3,040
Groaned at 99 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 3,774 Times in 1,950 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

As for (bernese) police forcing entry into your home:

I'm not a lawyer, but from what I understand "Gefahr in Verzug" only applies if the standard legal procedure (e.g. getting a judiciary search warrant) can't be followed due to the urgency of the situation. This seems similar to "Notwehr" (the right to defend yourself and others) where you have the right to use force because somebody is under threat of immediate and serious harm that can't be averted otherwise (if you can run you are required to, you're not allowed to "stand your ground").

So they can't force entry nilly-willy. Quite the contrary, it would probably only apply to a situation where you'd actually welcome them in.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post:
  #74  
Old 27.10.2014, 10:22
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,177
Groaned at 462 Times in 350 Posts
Thanked 9,364 Times in 4,926 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

I'm not sure if carrying identification is required by law. Someone I had a conversation with believes it is not required. Although if you are asked, and you don't provide identification, you can be held until your identity is verified, which is almost like being arrested.

Anyone care to elaborate and provide reference on what the law states about carrying identification?
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 27.10.2014, 10:35
Sean Connery's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,924
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 6,395 Times in 2,931 Posts
Sean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

You must be able to confirm your ID if asked (but you don't have to have it on you). I know who will post the link to the law.

It's odd that the OP gets profiled by the border cops. I regularly cross into Italy without a passport or ID card and never get stopped or asked - and yes I know I might have a paint to deal with should I be stopped and asked. It's not deliberate on my part for most of the times this happens.

I say the OP must have looked or acted funny and the border guys did their job. I don't see what the issue is here, they know that their rights are and how they can act, where they can act and who they can and can't ask questions of. And the where is interesting as they can operate up to 25km inside the border to carry out their duties.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Sean Connery for this useful post:
  #76  
Old 27.10.2014, 10:52
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 5,059
Groaned at 40 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 7,129 Times in 3,239 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Please see the Federal Act on Foreign Nationals

For crossing the border, into Switzerland:

Art. 5 Entry Requirements.


Art. 13 Permit and registration procedures


Art. 89 Possession of a valid identity document

The Verordnung über die Einreise und die Visumerteilung, based on the above law, has some more details which identity documents are accepted.

For Swiss the Ausweissgesetz is applicable.

Art.1 Abs. 1 simply states the each Swiss has the right to have a Passport and/or a ID-card. No obligation whatsoever.

The power of the Grenzwachtkorps at the border is defined in Art. 100 ff of the Zollgesetz.

From the REGULATION (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code)
Article 21
Quote:
The abolition of border control at internal borders shall not affect:
(a)
the exercise of police powers by the competent authorities of the Member States under national law, insofar as the exercise of those powers does not have an effect equivalent to border checks; that shall also apply in border areas. Within the meaning of the first sentence, the exercise of police powers may not, in particular, be considered equivalent to the exercise of border checks when the police measures:
(i)
do not have border control as an objective,
(ii)
are based on general police information and experience regarding possible threats to public security and aim, in particular, to combat cross-border crime,
(iii)
are devised and executed in a manner clearly distinct from systematic checks on persons at the external borders,
(iv)
are carried out on the basis of spot-checks;
(b)
security checks on persons carried out at ports and airports by the competent authorities under the law of each Member State, by port or airport officials or carriers, provided that such checks are also carried out on persons travelling within a Member State;
(c)
the possibility for a Member State to provide by law for an obligation to hold or carry papers and documents;
(d)
the obligation on third-country nationals to report their presence on the territory of any Member State pursuant to the provisions of Article 22 of the Schengen Convention.

Conclussion: You have to posses but not to carry a valid form of ID.

What about a police stop?
Police is cantonal law and not federal law.

Let us see as an example the police law of canton of Zurich § 21 .

Quote:
1 Wenn es zur Erfüllung ihrer Aufgaben notwendig ist, darf die Polizei eine Person anhalten, deren Identität feststellen und abklären, ob nach ihr oder nach Fahrzeugen, anderen Gegenständen oder Tieren, die sie bei sich hat, gefahndet wird.
2 Die angehaltene Person ist verpflichtet, Angaben zur Person zu machen, mitgeführte Ausweis- und Bewilligungspapiere vorzuzeigen und zu diesem Zweck Behältnisse und Fahrzeuge zu öffnen.
3 Die Polizei darf die Person zu einer Dienststelle bringen, wenn die Abklärungen gemäss Abs. 1 vor Ort nicht eindeutig oder nur mit erheblichen Schwierigkeiten vorgenommen werden können oder wenn zweifelhaft ist, ob die Angaben richtig oder die Ausweis- und Bewilligungspapiere echt sind.
The police is allowed to stop you to determine your identity. You have to state who you are , show them any ID on request, and open any containers you are carrying and you also have to open your car on request (they do not need a court order for this). If they are unable to determine your identity or there is doubt about your papers they can bring you to a police station. Interestingly, they to not use the words "arrest" or "detention" in this context.

As said, Police is cantonal matters. Which means that the Grenzwachtkoprs/Border Patrol needs an agreement with each any every canton where it wants to do random ID checks not directly at the border. See also Art. 96 Zollgesetz.. As of 30. Juni 2009 the Grenzwachtkoprs had such agreements with
Quote:
Aargau, Appenzell Ausserrhoden, Appenzell Innerrhoden, Basel-Stadt, Bern, Genf, Graubünden, Jura, Neuenburg, Schaffhausen, Schwyz, St. Gallen, Thurgau, Uri, Waadt, Zürich (Dienstbefehl als Vereinbarung). In Bearbeitung sind die Vereinbarungen mit den Kantonen Basel-Landschaft, Solothurn, Tessin und Wallis. Mit den Kantonen Glarus und Luzern haben erste Kontakte stattgefunden. Keine Vereinbarung ist zurzeit mit den Kantonen Freiburg, Nidwalden, Obwalden und Zug vorgesehen.
The area where the Grenzwachtkorps can operate is defined in the agreement. Here the example of Aargau (at the very end of the document). note that it also states that it can be temporary extended to the whole canton of Aargau by request of the Aargau Cantonal Police.
__________________
Dunkel war’s, der Mond schien helle, schneebedeckt die grüne Flur, als ein Wagen blitzesschnelle, langsam um die Ecke fuhr.
Drinnen saßen stehend Leute, schweigend ins Gespräch vertieft, als ein totgeschoss’ner Hase auf der Sandbank Schlittschuh lief.

Last edited by aSwissInTheUS; 27.10.2014 at 12:13.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #77  
Old 27.10.2014, 14:11
Dack Rambo's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,439
Groaned at 178 Times in 105 Posts
Thanked 1,551 Times in 765 Posts
Dack Rambo has earned the respect of manyDack Rambo has earned the respect of manyDack Rambo has earned the respect of many
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
open any containers you are carrying
does this include your wallet?
Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 27.10.2014, 14:38
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 5,059
Groaned at 40 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 7,129 Times in 3,239 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
does this include your wallet?
Does it contain anything, like a button, fluff, paper clip, etc. or could it contain something like money, cards, photos, notes, drugs?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #79  
Old 27.10.2014, 14:52
baboon's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 2,468
Groaned at 73 Times in 64 Posts
Thanked 2,939 Times in 1,467 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

Quote:
View Post
does this include your wallet?
Whenever you've gone over the CHF 300 limit, yes
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 27.10.2014, 16:11
Sean Connery's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,924
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 6,395 Times in 2,931 Posts
Sean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond reputeSean Connery has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss Border Controls

I think I have to correct myself on the 25km, I think that might even be within 25km of a major railway station in the country. Could that be right or did my brain fart it out?
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dentist close to Swiss border MacGregor's Daughter Family matters/health 19 10.08.2015 19:51
Advice on border controls please! NSchulzi Transportation/driving 0 15.08.2009 16:54
Self-removals and border controls [most information applicable in both directions] Jazz Transportation/driving 21 10.06.2008 18:03
Swiss-French border controls ksareen Introductions 0 24.10.2007 18:05
Swiss border crossing/manning Colonelboris Travel/day trips/free time 21 23.05.2007 18:30


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 09:53.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0