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Old 08.11.2014, 21:22
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In seaports, police of the country of the port has full Access to all ships.


On OPEN SEAS ships are subject to the laws of the ship s flag but NOT in the port. DURING FLIGHT, airplanes are subject to the country of the Airline but NOT so at the airport
Yes, that is what I said, thing is the Swiss registered ship was asked to assist the refugees by the Italian navy, that makes it for the Swiss to be Italian mandated, ergo the refugees go to Italy but the Italians don't want them, they have enough of their own, in theory the Italians only need to refuse the ship entry into Italian waters and you have, at least to my fevered imagination, another "SS Exodus" on your hands.
On a side note there is talk that shipwrecked refugees should not be pieced up and they should be left to drown so as to discourage others.
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

So, given the migration crisis, how are the border controls in the basel - konstanz borders?

to make it clear: can border control officers ask for passport?
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Old 08.10.2015, 11:06
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So, given the migration crisis, how are the border controls in the basel - konstanz borders?

to make it clear: can border control officers ask for passport?
Depends whether you look "foreign"
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

I got the train Milano-Zurich some weeks ago and there was no passport control whatsoever in Chiasso.
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Old 08.10.2015, 11:32
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So, given the migration crisis, how are the border controls in the basel - konstanz borders?

to make it clear: can border control officers ask for passport?
Driving by car they often do, they always did. So yes they can. Switzerland still has customs controls.
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Old 08.10.2015, 11:43
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Driving by car they often do, they always did. So yes they can. Switzerland still has customs controls.
When we came back from Italy a couple of weeks back we crossed at Oria on Lago di Lugano - we and the border guard were too busy laughing at the dutch car 2 ahead of ours that had gone onto the wrong side of the road to go to the border booth. We didn't even wave the passports in our traditional dismissive manner!!
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Old 08.10.2015, 12:02
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I got the train Milano-Zurich some weeks ago and there was no passport control whatsoever in Chiasso.
That's because they don't do it at Chiasso, they do it on the train while travelling between Chiasso and Lugano.

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Old 08.10.2015, 12:13
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

I only realized few days ago that I never had a large black-on-white CH sticker when going across. It's good to have AG numbers (in some situations)

I have never been asked for passport crossing from Chiasso and we did it several times before. Only once we were stopped because I had to renew my vignette in 2011. I was surprised that they even noticed it

Maybe it's a matter of looking suspicious or fitting some profiles or just random control?
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Old 08.10.2015, 12:27
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I only realized few days ago that I never had a large black-on-white CH sticker when going across. It's good to have AG numbers (in some situations)

I have never been asked for passport crossing from Chiasso and we did it several times before. Only once we were stopped because I had to renew my vignette in 2011. I was surprised that they even noticed it

Maybe it's a matter of looking suspicious or fitting some profiles or just random control?
Getting stopped entering Basel about 1 in 25 times, around Geneva about 1 in 500 times.
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Old 08.10.2015, 12:35
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I only realized few days ago that I never had a large black-on-white CH sticker when going across. It's good to have AG numbers (in some situations)
I've been crossing French/Swiss borders most workdays for the last 15 years and never had an issue with having no CH plate. Also not infrequently in Germany, and a few times in Italy. The majority of other Swiss-plated cars I see crossing don't have them either.

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Maybe it's a matter of looking suspicious or fitting some profiles or just random control?
More random that anything, IME.

Unless you have darkish skin, of course. Or is that just the French Douanes that do that?
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Getting stopped entering Basel about 1 in 25 times
That's quite high, actually. Probably just once or twice a year for us.
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Old 08.10.2015, 12:41
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

On the way to Germany, several border officers were busy searching a car coming into Switzerland. This was in Laufenberg.
On the way back from vacationing in Germany, I got stopped at the border in Konstanz. I was asked about how much I spent shopping in a bit of a snappy tone, my first time experiencing a "rude encounter", and I hope I shocked the officer a bit with how little I spent. Usually the border staff is polite and helpful, or not even outside to wave the cars in. Never passed through an entry point with the office closed yet.
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So, given the migration crisis, how are the border controls in the basel - konstanz borders?

to make it clear: can border control officers ask for passport?

ANY policeman, and border control officers ARE policemen CAN ask for identification (ID Card, etc) any time from anybody. AND, they have full access to the EUROPOL computer data where entries are NEVER deleted, at least not if the sentence was 6 months or more
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Old 08.10.2015, 12:43
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

This years border crossing experience:

Riding on Motorbike, never checked once. (Lifetime never)
Driving a car, never checked once.
Walking, never checked once. (Lifetime never)
Gliding by cable car, never checked once. (out of one , lifetime never as well).
Riding on the bus, checked once (out of one)


Conclusions: Ride a motorbike . If you have to cross the Mont Blanc Massive, use the cable cars (~€ 100) (what an astonishing view !) and to not take the bus (€ 15) .
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That's because they don't do it at Chiasso, they do it on the train while travelling between Chiasso and Lugano.

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Milano-Zurigo Trains are intra-Schengen trains WITHOUT ID controls
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That's quite high, actually. Probably just once or twice a year for us.
I find the borders that have limited or little 'Opening' times to be the most aggressive when they are on duty. "le Chatalard" border near Chamonix I would say is 1 in 4 it they are there. They even sometimes stop cars leaving CH
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

Milan Malpensa to Lugano: the bus was stopped and every passenger's papers were checked by Swiss border control in Chiasso. Many onboard were American students studying in Franklin college.
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Milan Malpensa to Lugano: the bus was stopped and every passenger's papers were checked by Swiss border control in Chiasso. Many onboard were American students studying in Franklin college.

>> Why did the bus go via Chiasso and not via Ponte Tresa ?
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border control officers ARE policemen
No they are not, at least not in Switzerland. Border control/Grenzwachtkorps is under federal jurisdiction and law. Which means they have not the same right as police officers. Police is under cantonal jurisdiction and law (See Constitution which does not mention Police, and Art. 42).
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/20030370/index.html#a100
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/20042005/index.html

Border control/Grenzwachtkoprs has contracts/arrangements with several cantons which grants them certain police rights in certain topics and areas of a canton.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/27505652


I do not know about what kind of EUROPOL system you are babbling about. In Switzerland there is the RIPOL system which, normally does not show convictions unless there is an arrest warrant:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...752/index.html

This is unlike the German INPOL-land/POLAS system, which stores/allows access to such information:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/POLAS

Convictions are stored in the VORSTRA system, on which the Border control/Grenzwachtkoprs has no access:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...863/index.html

Additionally there is the Schengen Information System SIS. But this does not store convictions.
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No they are not, at least not in Switzerland. Border control/Grenzwachtkorps is under federal jurisdiction and law. Which means they have not the same right as police officers. Police is under cantonal jurisdiction and law (See Constitution which does not mention Police, and Art. 42).
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/20030370/index.html#a100
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/20042005/index.html

Border control/Grenzwachtkoprs has contracts/arrangements with several cantons which grants them certain police rights in certain topics and areas of a canton.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/27505652


I do not know about what kind of EUROPOL system you are babbling about. In Switzerland there is the RIPOL system which, normally does not show convictions unless there is an arrest warrant:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...752/index.html

This is unlike the German INPOL-land/POLAS system, which stores/allows access to such information:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/POLAS

Convictions are stored in the VORSTRA system, on which the Border control/Grenzwachtkoprs has no access:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...863/index.html

Additionally there is the Schengen Information System SIS. But this does not store convictions.

COMPLICATED! Unless of course you and them all get caught in cross-fire between IN-ter-POL fighting iSIS.

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>> Why did the bus go via Chiasso and not via Ponte Tresa ?
Because it takes FAR to long that way.

Quickest is via Stabio.

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