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Old 08.10.2015, 13:50
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

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Milano-Zurigo Trains are intra-Schengen trains WITHOUT ID controls
But there are still CUSTOMS controls on the train between Chiasso and Lugano, and they DO sometimes control ID.

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Milano-Zurigo Trains are intra-Schengen trains WITHOUT ID controls
The Neuchâtel-Pontarlier (CH-F) trains have customs officers checking on about 1 train in 3 on random basis. The road border office is these days rarely wo/manned- but there is no pattern, so it's impossible to know when they will or won't be there. And when they are, they do thoroughly check about 1 in 3 to 4 cars. They do target people who are 'different' for whatever reason (dreads, darker shades, tatooes, etc) and vehicles that look a bit low on the suspension. We regularly see cars being checked VERY thoroughly, eg spare tyre removed and interior fittings, etc.

Most of the time now, as explained before, the new tactics is to stop cars quite a way from the border, on access roads, expecially minor ones which were being increasingly used to by-pass border posts, and especially at night. They can stop anyone up to 30km from border. Around here they stop in a couple of lay-bys around 5 to 8km away- there is NO butcher along the way- so if someone has 20kg of meat, they will have some explaining to do, and receipts or other proof of purchase

And Wooli is right- they can and will ask for papers - for the car, personal id, etc- all they have to say is that they have reasons to ask, and do not have to justify.
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Old 08.10.2015, 14:10
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ANY policeman, and border control officers ARE policemen CAN ask for identification (ID Card, etc) any time from anybody. AND, they have full access to the EUROPOL computer data where entries are NEVER deleted, at least not if the sentence was 6 months or more
yes it is true that any law enforcement officer can ask for ID at any time, however doing so at the border...

it would be nice if criminals all had a big red stamp on their foreheads so that no one else has to be stopped for ID...
Last Sunday in Rapperswil a taxi driver was sitting in his taxi at the taxi spot and 2 female KAPOs walking around in uniform checked his ID over the phone... He was very mad....

anyways it is what it is, I dont care but I like to know how it is right now given the migration problem...

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Old 08.10.2015, 16:15
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But there are still CUSTOMS controls on the train between Chiasso and Lugano, and they DO sometimes control ID.

Tom
No, they don't. They sometime check ID.

Another of those incorrect uses of English you become so accustomed to that you start using them yourself.

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I find the borders that have limited or little 'Opening' times to be the most aggressive when they are on duty. "le Chatalard" border near Chamonix I would say is 1 in 4 it they are there. They even sometimes stop cars leaving CH
Yes, that's true IME as well, but most of the time these days we come across on the Autoroute, which is always manned in some shape or form, whereas the unmanned crossings that I use (really only one or two on a regular basis, entering Basel from France) are only manned about 1 time in 100 on average anyway, so the odds work out about the same.
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Old 08.10.2015, 17:39
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

weekend trips to both Lorrach and St Louis by car (Saturday shopping) and bike (Sunday fun).


never stopped on bike either direction or location
1:15 stopped coming back from St Louis
never stopped coming back from Lorrach


always polite encounters and they really look dejected when they can only find 1 KG/person of meat.
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Old 08.10.2015, 17:54
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

I cycle over to France or Germany at least once a week - either shopping, just for the bike ride, or for lunch/dinner.

I've been stopped once in 5 years at the Weil am Rhein border, and asked what I had (not searched, but asked to see a supermarket receipt which they didn't really look at).

I've also been stopped once at the St Louis Birchfelder border and asked if I had anything to declare. A "no" was taken at face value.

By train I've never been stopped coming back from Germany, and once asked for ID when coming back from France (local TER train) but I reckon that was because I was with an Indian friend and they pounced on him first, then asked me as I was right next to him.
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Old 08.10.2015, 18:06
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Milano-Zurigo Trains are intra-Schengen trains WITHOUT ID controls
Wien - Zürich trains are intra-Schengen. Every single train is controlled at the border at the moment.


But that happens to be the current main asylum seeker route.
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Old 08.10.2015, 19:00
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I cycle over to France or Germany at least once a week - either shopping, just for the bike ride, or for lunch/dinner.

I've been stopped once in 5 years at the Weil am Rhein border, and asked what I had (not searched, but asked to see a supermarket receipt which they didn't really look at).

I've also been stopped once at the St Louis Birchfelder border and asked if I had anything to declare. A "no" was taken at face value.

By train I've never been stopped coming back from Germany, and once asked for ID when coming back from France (local TER train) but I reckon that was because I was with an Indian friend and they pounced on him first, then asked me as I was right next to him.
Hmm, are the Indians up to something weird at the German border?
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Old 08.10.2015, 19:05
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

I was stopped by german border patrol last night. Very rare. Perhaps they are now doing it more frequently.
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

I could pass for a Swiss and do not look like a refugee and they sometimes checked my passport on the way from Germany to the Schaffhausen area.

Refugees by law are suppose to register in the country they first enter, most are not and therefore illegally in Europe breaking the Schengen laws. Everyone is aware of this, so why not try to get some order to the laws?


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It has been reported that Swiss Customs officials are asking to see the passports of all passengers on trains from Italy. I understand this action by the Swiss customs or border authorities to be a breach the Schengen Agreement and the domestic law implementing it. Many people were subject to a passport or immigration check (not merely a check to see if you are importing goods and paying appropriate dutes, which they are entitled to do). Neither a police officer or a customs officer has the legal right to force a person to pay a ticket under threat of detention. By making this threat the customs officer abused her/his power.
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

Iwas never stopped. Probably because I look as a reliable European lady ))))
But last months (and especially days) see plenty of controlling (and controlled people).
Guess its for prevention of growing illegal immigration and terrorists search...
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Old 14.11.2015, 23:54
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I always give them Puss in Boots eyes, and they wave me through all the time without fail.

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Re: Swiss Border Controls

I' ve travelled to Rome with just my ID card, also to London (EU citizen).
Customs officers were always polite and professionals.
I' m gonna be in CH in January and would gladly go through a full body cavity search each time I'd cross the borders, if that would help keep those bloody isis bastards out.
But it won't.
They'll still get through and we'll be hassled in vein.
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

Schengen does not prevent border guards from checking passports. Why do people believe this myth?
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Schengen does not prevent border guards from checking passports. Why do people believe this myth?
Correct, there is no passport to check though - you can breeze through without a passport normally without any issue, border guards must not hinder this! I show my permit, I very rarely take my passport! It's not compulsory!
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

Even within the Schengen area you are required to carry ID that is valid for international travel - you can't just wander around Europe without any way to identify yourself. You can be asked to show it at anytime by border guards. A swiss residence permit is not valid for international travel so you should have another form of ID at all times when outside of CH. For most countries in Europe they have national ID cards which are nice and small and conveniently fit in your wallet and are valid international ID. IF you are a UK citizen, we don't have this so we have to use our passport which is a bit of a pain.
All this was explained to me by a very nice and meticulous German border guard whilst I was getting my VAT receipt stamped at the border.
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Old 16.11.2015, 09:28
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Even within the Schengen area you are required to carry ID that is valid for international travel - you can't just wander around Europe without any way to identify yourself. You can be asked to show it at anytime by border guards. A swiss residence permit is not valid for international travel so you should have another form of ID at all times when outside of CH. For most countries in Europe they have national ID cards which are nice and small and conveniently fit in your wallet and are valid international ID. IF you are a UK citizen, we don't have this so we have to use our passport which is a bit of a pain.
All this was explained to me by a very nice and meticulous German border guard whilst I was getting my VAT receipt stamped at the border.
Giving his version of the law, eh?
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Old 16.11.2015, 09:29
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Correct, there is no passport to check though - you can breeze through without a passport normally without any issue, border guards must not hinder this! I show my permit, I very rarely take my passport! It's not compulsory!
You do seem to have an obsession about this, and about pointing it out to all and sundry. It's there a reason for this, other than just telling the world that you don't bow down to The Man?

Anyway, in the current clime I definitely suggest that you make a point of asserting your right not to carry your passport as often as possible, because clearly the overworked and hassled border guards will just love you for it.
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Giving his version of the law, eh?
Well, I'd rather listen to a German border guard and what's written on government websites that some of the crap spouted on internet forums...
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