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Old 16.11.2015, 09:40
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Correct, there is no passport to check though - you can breeze through without a passport normally without any issue, border guards must not hinder this! I show my permit, I very rarely take my passport! It's not compulsory!
Make sure you take your passport or national ID card with you if you are heading to France. Swiss DLs, residence permits (including Ausweis C) are not acceptable identification documents when entering any EU country.
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Well, I'd rather listen to a German border guard and what's written on government websites that some of the crap spouted on internet forums...
My experience of German border police is that they think they know it all, but rarely do - their area of speciality is German requirements.

You do not have to carry proof of ID in CH, Greece, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden or the UK. You have to be able to prove who you are. A technicality, yes, but not the same thing.
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My experience of German border police is that they think they know it all, but rarely do - their area of speciality is German requirements.

You do not have to carry proof of ID in CH, Greece, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden or the UK. You have to be able to prove who you are. A technicality, yes, but not the same thing.
That is why I carry a pocket mirror - it ensures I can identify myself.
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My experience of German border police is that they think they know it all, but rarely do - their area of speciality is German requirements.

You do not have to carry proof of ID in CH, Greece, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden or the UK. You have to be able to prove who you are. A technicality, yes, but not the same thing.

If only there was some type of internationally recognized document that would quickly and easily resolve this requirement without wasting everyone's time at the border.
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You do not have to carry proof of ID in CH, Greece, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden or the UK. You have to be able to prove who you are. A technicality, yes, but not the same thing.
Of those only Italy actually has a border with Switzerland though.

You should carry a valid travel document as proof of identity when going to France or Germany or Austria from Switzerland although in reality up until now they have rarely checked them.
I wouldn't be taking any chances now or in the near future myself.

It's normal that the Germans only really know about the German rules as that's what there job is. I don't suppose they have much call to know about the ID carrying requirements in Abu Dhabi or Ecuador.
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If only there was some type of internationally recognized document that would quickly and easily resolve this requirement without wasting everyone's time at the border.
Have your passport with you and you will be fine

If you are an EU/EFTA citizen, you can show your national ID card in most European borders.
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Have your passport with you and you will be fine

If you are an EU/EFTA citizen, you can show your national ID card in most European borders.
Irony's lost on you.

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That is why I carry a pocket mirror - it ensures I can identify myself.
That's what the camera on the front of the iPhone is for, no?

I usually show them my facebook page. Works every time.
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If you are an EU/EFTA national-ID-card-issuing nation citizen, you can show your national ID card in most European borders.
Fixed that for you.

For Brits, for example, the only internationally-recognised form of ID is a British passport. A photo-card driving licence may be enough to convince someone of who you are, but officially it is not an ID card so is not sufficient for travel.
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That's what the camera on the front of the iPhone is for, no?

I usually show them my facebook page "home videos". Works every time.
None of "speciality" ones then, which reminds we when will you be releasing Goat-lover 7 - The Ram Awakens.
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None of "speciality" ones then, which reminds we when will you be releasing Goat-lover 7 - The Ram Awakens.
You watched the first six? You're a hardcore fan.
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Old 16.11.2015, 11:22
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You watched the first six? You're a hardcore fan.
Its an odd series: 4-5-6 came out first - then 1-2-3; they were disappointing due to the big floppy character in it.
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Even within the Schengen area you are required to carry ID that is valid for international travel - you can't just wander around Europe without any way to identify yourself. You can be asked to show it at anytime by border guards.
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All this was explained to me by a very nice and meticulous German border guard whilst I was getting my VAT receipt stamped at the border.
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You do not have to carry proof of ID in CH, Greece, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden or the UK. You have to be able to prove who you are. A technicality, yes, but not the same thing.
There is also no need to carry an ID while in Germany. But you have to carry one while crossing the border. Same for Switzerland.

Posession =/= Carry.

Germany: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/fr..._2004/__8.html

Switzerland: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi.../index.html#a5
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a89
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Re: Swiss Border Controls

Warnings have been issued to allow more time if you cross any border post at peak times. Really, I would not chance it without a passport or identity card and permit at this time. And yes, they will be profiling- perhaps with good reasons this time- and some people will be more likely to be stopped than others. The border guards know all the frontaliers and their cars and passengers- and will stop anybody 'different and new'.
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Warnings have been issued to allow more time if you cross any border post at peak times. Really, I would not chance it without a passport or identity card and permit at this time. And yes, they will be profiling- perhaps with good reasons this time- and some people will be more likely to be stopped than others. The border guards know all the frontaliers and their cars and passengers- and will stop anybody 'different and new'.
Not sure if it is all borders. SwissInfo said it is mainly the Swiss French border.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/france-s...elays/41781536
My wife returns after 2 weeks working in Italy on Friday I wonder what the queues are/will be like then on that border.


Talking of borders, I was at mystical Tarifa on the southern tip of Spain in July this year. With all the unrest, I was wondering who on earth were these people making the crossing between Spain and the magnificent mountainous North African coast after the Sousse Tunisian beach attack?
When I looked at the cars I think most of the plates had various African, Belgian or Dutch number plates. Just an observation.
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Not sure if it is all borders. SwissInfo said it is mainly the Swiss French border.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/france-s...elays/41781536
My wife returns after 2 weeks working in Italy on Friday I wonder what the queues are/will be like then on that border.
Funny how there seem to be problems at Geneva, but not Basel. No queues coming in this morning, not even any French Douanes at all (which is not unusual). Yesterday afternoon the queue going from France to Basel looked a bit worse (as we went the other way) than it had on Saturday, but I couldn't see if there was extra security or just a lot of traffic.
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The border guards know all the frontaliers and their cars and passengers- and will stop anybody 'different and new'.
On your local crossings maybe, but that's certainly not the case around Basel (or Geneva, I imagine).
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My experience of German border police is that they think they know it all, but rarely do - their area of speciality is German requirements.

You do not have to carry proof of ID in CH, Greece, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden or the UK. You have to be able to prove who you are. A technicality, yes, but not the same thing.
Which is why, as a resident of BL (and not an idiot) going to France and Germany where I do need ID, I take my passport all the time. To be fair I am rarely stopped since I really do look very unlikely to be up to any mischief. In any case, given the current climate, I am not going to get into an argument with any Border authority anywhere about 'actually, I know the schengen rules better than you and I will rely on a technicality rather than just carrying the ID which I have to prove who i am'
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Even within the Schengen area you are required to carry ID that is valid for international travel - you can't just wander around Europe without any way to identify yourself. You can be asked to show it at anytime by border guards. A swiss residence permit is not valid for international travel so you should have another form of ID at all times when outside of CH. For most countries in Europe they have national ID cards which are nice and small and conveniently fit in your wallet and are valid international ID. IF you are a UK citizen, we don't have this so we have to use our passport which is a bit of a pain.
All this was explained to me by a very nice and meticulous German border guard whilst I was getting my VAT receipt stamped at the border.
No that's not true. I was told the opposite by German border guards, on more than one occasion, that I did not have to have my passport (or identity card) with me when entering Germany from Switzerland. You don't need a valid travel document within Schengen, that's the whole point of it. I take my C-permit as it identifies who I am and is often necessary to get a stamp on the Ausfuhrschein from claiming back VAT. I would never take my passport, unless I am there for legal business which requires it.
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Make sure you take your passport or national ID card with you if you are heading to France. Swiss DLs, residence permits (including Ausweis C) are not acceptable identification documents when entering any EU country.
What nonsense!
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You should carry a valid travel document as proof of identity when going to France or Germany or Austria from Switzerland although in reality up until now they have rarely checked them.
Not quite. You don't need a valid travel document. You might need proof of identity within Germany for example. The C-permit is proof of identity in some circumstances.
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Old 21.11.2015, 10:36
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No that's not true. I was told the opposite by German border guards, on more than one occasion, that I did not have to have my passport (or identity card) with me when entering Germany from Switzerland. You don't need a valid travel document within Schengen, that's the whole point of it. I take my C-permit as it identifies who I am and is often necessary to get a stamp on the Ausfuhrschein from claiming back VAT. I would never take my passport, unless I am there for legal business which requires it.What nonsense!Not quite. You don't need a valid travel document. You might need proof of identity within Germany for example. The C-permit is proof of identity in some circumstances.
I can't imagine under what circumstances you would have been told that by border guards on "more than one occasion". Did you stop to ask them specially?

Anyone travelling through Europe at the moment would be more than well advised to carry a passport/ID card and anything else that identifies them. This will speed up any extra checks currently in place...
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I can't imagine under what circumstances you would have been told that by border guards on "more than one occasion". Did you stop to ask them specially?
I'm in Germany three times a week generally either for shopping, errands or personal business, so yes I have seen lots of border guards there over the past few years! The C-permit has always been sufficient for identification purposes. I would never take my passport! For 2 years I did not even possess a valid passport as mine had expired.
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