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Thanks for your info on language comparisons.
FYI it's Schweizer Käse (capital S)

http://www.schweizerkaese.ch/
Thanks. However, this is not really correct.

In "ein schweizer Käse", "schweizer" is an adjective and therefore written with small characters, like every adjective (e.g. "ein grüner Wald").

On schweizerkäse.ch however, the term "Schweizer Käse" (both words) is being used as a brand, such as Ricola or Mini Schweizer Sackmesser, and therefore written with capitals!

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And your whole rant has been covered in this thread http://www.englishforum.ch/daily-lif...itzerland.html already
No, it's no rant at all. Quite the contrary!

If you read my previous post carefully you will understand that in Malayan languages the adjective and the name of a country is the same word. Like in "La Suisse" and "un Suisse" in French. However, in French it is rather an exception (c.f.: La France, un Français).
And as far as I understood, this is rather the general pattern in Malayan languages!!
And further the Indonesian term for Switzerland is exactely the same word as the adjective for the Swiss in English!

So, it is fully understandable that eastern Asians make this mistake!!!!
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Thanks. However, this is not really correct.

In "ein schweizer Käse", "schweizer" is an adjective and therefore written with small characters, like every adjective (e.g. "ein grüner Wald").

On schweizerkäse.ch however, the term "Schweizer Käse" (both words) is being used as a brand, such as Ricola or Mini Schweizer Sackmesser, and therefore written with capitals!



No, it's no rant at all. Quite the contrary!

If you read my previous post carefully you will understand that in Malayan languages the adjective and the name of a country is the same word. Like in "La Suisse" and "un Suisse" in French. However, in French it is rather an exception (c.f.: La France, un Français).
And as far as I understood, this is rather the general pattern in Malayan languages!!
And further the Indonesian term for Switzerland is exactely the same word as the adjective for the Swiss in English!

So, it is fully understandable that eastern Asians make this mistake!!!!
Green arrows and a bucket full of exclamation marks are unneccessary - it is understandable to you.

In my opinion "ein schweizer Käse" is incorrect German. If you want to say “a Swiss cheese” in German, you either say “ein Schweizer Käse” or “ein schweizerischer Käse.” Same as you can’t go ahead and say “ein französer Käse”, but you have to say “ein französischer Käse”.”Französer” doesn’t exist.

http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/schweizerisch
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/...us_der_Schweiz
http://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/spr...-isch-lich--i-

Anyway, our opinions differ and that is fine.
But we are derailing the OP’s thread so let’s get back to the topic.
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True enough, but the point is that this is the English Forum where people need to post in English. When speaking English to other English-speakers from around the world, you wouldn't say "I really like the pubs in Inggris", would you?
Haha no, of course not. I was just pointing the common mistakes that some people make because they got confused with how the country is called in their native languages. And obviously in the case of "England", it is easier for Indonesians not to confuse between England and "Inggris" as the word "Inggris" doesn't exist in English vocabulary. This is not the case with "Switzerland", because "Swiss" is a word that exists in English vocabulary, even though the word is used as an adjective, and not as a noun.




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Hmm, I tried to cover up why some eastern Asians have "difficulties" to distinguish between Switzerland and Swiss. Here follows what I found out:

GermanFrenchEnglishIndonesian/Malay (capitals or lower cases and double ss or single s are intentional; please tell me any mistakes):

1. [Country:] Schweiz - la Suisse - Switzerland - Swiss

2a. ein schweizer Mann - un homme suisse - a Swiss man - seorang pria Swiss
2b. eine schweizer Frau - une femme suisse - a Swiss woman - seorang wanita Swiss

3. ein schweizer Käse - un fromage suisse - a Swiss cheese - keju swiss


4. ein Schweizer / eine Schweizerin - un Suisse / une Suisse - a Swiss - Swiss
5. Schweizer - Suisse - Swiss (person) - (orang) Swis

6. [The whole bunch (pl.):] die Schweizer - les Suisses - the Swiss - Swiss


Why is there only one s in 5. in the Indonesian language?

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Did you google all of these?
Good job! Anyway, for 5. the correct one should be with double s just like the rest




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Why not. Country names differ if translated into other languages. Or even in other countries. Morocco (officially Kingdom of the West / Mamlakah al Maghrebiya) in other Arab countries is named as Marrakech, but if you say Marrakech in Casa people assume that you speak about the old City southeast
Yes, Wolli, as I said to 22y, people have this common mistake because that's how the country is called in their native languages.



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Thanks. However, this is not really correct.

In "ein schweizer Käse", "schweizer" is an adjective and therefore written with small characters, like every adjective (e.g. "ein grüner Wald").

On schweizerkäse.ch however, the term "Schweizer Käse" (both words) is being used as a brand, such as Ricola or Mini Schweizer Sackmesser, and therefore written with capitals!



No, it's no rant at all. Quite the contrary!

If you read my previous post carefully you will understand that in Malayan languages the adjective and the name of a country is the same word. Like in "La Suisse" and "un Suisse" in French. However, in French it is rather an exception (c.f.: La France, un Français).
And as far as I understood, this is rather the general pattern in Malayan languages!!
And further the Indonesian term for Switzerland is exactely the same word as the adjective for the Swiss in English!

So, it is fully understandable that eastern Asians make this mistake!!!!
Precisely. And based on the thread that glowjupiter referred to, the same mistake also often happens with our Indian fellows. Although I'm not sure what the adjective word for Switzerland in "Hinglish"
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And based on the thread that glowjupiter referred to, the same mistake also often happens with our Indian fellows. Although I'm not sure what the adjective word for Switzerland in "Hinglish"
It's also "Swiss", but with a head bobble.
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And babies. Don't forget those.
We also eat the English & Americans
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In my opinion "ein schweizer Käse" is incorrect German. If you want to say “a Swiss cheese” in German, you either say “ein Schweizer Käse” or “ein schweizerischer Käse.” Same as you can’t go ahead and say “ein französer Käse”, but you have to say “ein französischer Käse”.”Französer” doesn’t exist.
Schweizer used as adjective is a grammatical illusion, it never was an adjective in the first place. It's an archaic genitive form of a noun. It usually works with city names (Berliner, Londoner, Pariser, Genfer..) but Schweizer survived history. This is why it is capitalized (noun) and never gets declension endings (it already has one).
This word is an exception because Schweiz is a country and not a city, but the form in itself is historically correct and grammatically correctly built.
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Re: Do Swiss people eat cats and dogs ?

Yesterday, it has been raining cats and dogs. Good for the Swiss people: they are not starving anymore.
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Yesterday, it has been raining cats and dogs. Good for the Swiss people: they are not starving anymore.
I wasn't starving. I ate my pony.
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Re: Do Swiss people eat cats and dogs ?

Swiss "Hipster" chef wants to revive Grandmas traditional Swiss food by offering cat meat on the menu.

20minuten (in German)
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Swiss "Hipster" chef wants to revive Grandmas traditional Swiss food by offering cat meat on the menu.

20minuten (in German)

My Swiss partner sent this to me, and waited until I got completely upset before laughing and telling me it is a parody. Now that I watch the video again and check their web site - no location listed because of "vandalism", but it seems more likely because there is no restaurant.
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Re: Do Swiss people eat cats and dogs ?

Doesn't seem like a very good move all around though. It's some sort of campaign for poverty awareness, but it could backfire and reflect badly both on Switzerland and the actual campaign. There are already articles about the Swiss eating cats (which was a thing back in the day apparently).
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Re: Do Swiss people eat cats and dogs ?

the story....

http://www.thelocal.ch/20160212/swis...sparks-outrage

http://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech...ses-plats.html

according to 20min of this morning three vegetarian organizations (Swissveg, Vegetarierbund Deutschland (Vebu) and Beyond Carnism) are behind the video
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...Katze-25680795
according to the article Swissveg and Vebu released a press release
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Re: Do Swiss people eat cats and dogs ?

I didn't experience much dogs and cats burnt skin smell coming from our building's chimneys, but the other day I most certainly saw our neighbour chasing a mouse around in the cellar. Then, it shows that either they don't own cats, don't breed them or simply already ate them some time ago. Let me check when the next Apero is due and then I should surely find it out during our neighbourly informal conversation about their Helvetian culinary habits. Be assured I will defo report back on the EF

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My Swiss partner sent this to me, and waited until I got completely upset before laughing and telling me it is a parody. Now that I watch the video again and check their web site - no location listed because of "vandalism", but it seems more likely because there is no restaurant.
bummer
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Re: Do Swiss people eat cats and dogs ?

article about the source of the video in English
http://www.thelocal.ch/20160215/vegetarian-groups-claim
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Re: Do Swiss people eat cats and dogs ?

I'm not a vegetarian but I respect a vegetarian's decision to be vegan.

This video goes under the category "utterly stupid goodwill killing prank or social experiment"

"you don't have to get weirder when you go vegan, but you will"
(this must be true, I found it on the internet)
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The press release by "Beyond Carnism":

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300220472.html
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Swiss "Hipster" chef wants to revive Grandmas traditional Swiss food by offering cat meat on the menu.

20minuten (in German)


just wondered about WHAT grandma cooked such stuff. In the 50ies when Tschingge got accused of catching cats and dogs and cooking them and you looked we n'än Tschingg you had to do quite an effort to distance yourself sufficiently and avoid getting tarred and feathered
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