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Probably was 80% irony.
But the width of the gauge is intriguing - I've read that the European (and subsequently also the American) gauge dates back to the gauge of Roman carts.
But that may be an urban legend - I've never looked into the sources.

Urban legends ? No, just visit the nearest Museum and you can see that lots of Roman Standards continue up to now
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Spuhler said that he already had an appointment scheduled for that day which he could not change:
Maybe his wife is pregnant and he didn't wish to end up with a huge US hospital bill and a child with accidental US citizenship, in the event she delivered while they were in Washington:

"British couple 'face $200,000 hospital bill' after baby born early in New York
  • Lincolnshire couple launch fundraising page in voice of son Dax
  • Lack of insurance could prove costly as baby stays in Lenox Hill hospital"
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-born-new-york


The Swiss government needs to inform pregnant Swiss of the risk of travel to the US, to avoid a lifetime of banking discrimination in Switzerland, filing odious US tax returning and annual reporting to the US Financial Crimes agency.
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Maybe his wife is pregnant and he didn't wish to end up with a huge US hospital bill and a child with accidental US citizenship, in the event she delivered while they were in Washington:

"British couple 'face $200,000 hospital bill' after baby born early in New York
  • Lincolnshire couple launch fundraising page in voice of son Dax
  • Lack of insurance could prove costly as baby stays in Lenox Hill hospital"
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-born-new-york


The Swiss government needs to inform pregnant Swiss of the risk of travel to the US, to avoid a lifetime of banking discrimination in Switzerland, filing odious US tax returning and annual reporting to the US Financial Crimes agency.

Mr Spuhler could pay such a bill out of the Porto-Kässeli but he wants the business of the ex-USSR and does not want to discuss these matters with US officials. He also does not want to discuss with them about his close partnership with the praised White-Russian president Alexander Lukashenko

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Probably was 80% irony.
But the width of the gauge is intriguing - I've read that the European (and subsequently also the American) gauge dates back to the gauge of Roman carts.
But that may be an urban legend - I've never looked into the sources.
Off topic really but I always find it strange that the plumbing standard here is so often in Imperial (inches) (example here) whereas UK, for example, moved plumbing standards to metric many years ago.
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

It is understandable that the American government might want to pull the rug out from under Stadler Rail's expansion plans in the CIS. In this SRF Rundschau clip, Peter Spuhler signs a pre-contract for 900 new trams for Moscow, to be made in Belarus (at 10:55), costing around CHF 1 billion. At 9:25 Spuhler discusses supplying 10 new underground trains to Minsk for which he would promise to produce the under-carriages in Minsk:

http://www.srf.ch/player/tv/rundscha...0-1c82744966c3

In December Stadler Rail also took over a company called BKM in Belarus, making Stadler the largest manufacturer of trolley-buses in the world:

http://www.handelszeitung.ch/unterne...usbauer-707127

Last summer Stadler Rail signed a contract to supply 30 rail sleeper cars to Azerbaijan:

http://www.stadlerrail.com/en/news/2...or-azerbaijan/

A hat-tip to Peter Spuhler, a bridge-builder in addition to being a train manufacturer.
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It is understandable that the American government might want to pull the rug out from under Stadler Rail's expansion plans in the CIS. In this SRF Rundschau clip, Peter Spuhler signs a pre-contract for 900 new trams for Moscow, to be made in Belarus (at 10:55), costing around CHF 1 billion. At 9:25 Spuhler discusses supplying 10 new underground trains to Minsk for which he would promise to produce the under-carriages in Minsk:

http://www.srf.ch/player/tv/rundscha...0-1c82744966c3

In December Stadler Rail also took over a company called BKM in Belarus, making Stadler the largest manufacturer of trolley-buses in the world:

http://www.handelszeitung.ch/unterne...usbauer-707127

Last summer Stadler Rail signed a contract to supply 30 rail sleeper cars to Azerbaijan:

http://www.stadlerrail.com/en/news/2...or-azerbaijan/

A hat-tip to Peter Spuhler, a bridge-builder in addition to being a train manufacturer.

Spuhler is clearly very successful
- 900 trams for Moscow
- 25 railways for the Airport Services of Moscow
- 10 underground trains for Minsk
- 30 rail sleeper cars for Azerbaijan


so that he is not to discuss with US government chaps --- a perfectly understandable position
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

An area where Stadler Rail has only a toe-hold is in the underground railway equipment business. Berlin's U-Bahn is currently evaluating two Stadler-built trains and an order from the Minsk metro for 10 trains would give Stadler an important order.

The Moscow authority that is ordering the 900 trams from Stadler also operates the Moscow metro system. Since many of its metro trains are outdated, it may also be looking for new rolling stock. Stadler, with its existing relationship with Moscow governmental entities and manufacturing facility in Minsk, may be in an excellent position to offer new underground trains to the Moscow metro.
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An area where Stadler Rail has only a toe-hold is in the underground railway equipment business. Berlin's U-Bahn is currently evaluating two Stadler-built trains and an order from the Minsk metro for 10 trains would give Stadler an important order.

The Moscow authority that is ordering the 900 trams from Stadler also operates the Moscow metro system. Since many of its metro trains are outdated, it may also be looking for new rolling stock. Stadler, with its existing relationship with Moscow governmental entities and manufacturing facility in Minsk, may be in an excellent position to offer new underground trains to the Moscow metro.

IF Berlin orders Stadler/Spuhler, the chaps at Siemens will get green heads and look like Marsians
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IF Berlin orders Stadler/Spuhler, the chaps at Siemens will get green heads and look like Marsians
Not really. Stadler have a plant in Germany at Pankow in Berlin.
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IF Berlin orders Stadler/Spuhler, the chaps at Siemens will get green heads and look like Marsians
According to the Berliner Morgenpost, the Canadian Bombardier, and not Siemens, had previously supplied all significant contracts for rail equipment to the BVG Berlin transportation authority:

http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/arti...Zuege-aus.html

After acceptance testing of the first two units, Stadler Pankow could supply up to 34 trains for the Berlin metro.

To paraphrase the Leonard Cohen song, "First we take Berlin, and then we take Minsk".
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Not really. Stadler have a plant in Germany at Pankow in Berlin.

Stadler/Spuhler can open as many plants in Germany as they can, they still are from OUTSIDE Germany while Siemens IS German. And the managers at Siemens perceive Stadler Rail as both a competitor and a foreigner
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Stadler Rail is a growing but still a niche market manufacturer of trains in a global market that is dominated by Bombardier, Alstom, Siemens, Kawasaki and two merging Chinese companies. Since Stadler is only a niche rail equipment player with 6,000 employees, it is somewhat surprising that the White House would send an invitation to Peter Spuhler for this round table.

However, as pointed out by Treverus, Stadler just set up a factory in Belarus and is focused on growth in the Russian common economic area. The White House cynically invited Spuhler so that it could "lean" on him to stop his business expansion in the Russian common economic area markets.

In the attached 36-page 2010 survey "Global Competitiveness in the Rail and Transit Business", Stadler is mentioned a grand total of two times, giving an idea of its lack of importance in the business (although its workforce has grown by nearly three times since this survey was written):

http://www.worldwatch.org/system/fil...eness-Rail.pdf
From what I've heard, Texas is interested in having Spuhler set up a factory in their state. Stadler already delivered two orders to Texan customers, the A-Train in Dallas and a commuter train in Austin. Actually making stuff in Texas and employing people there would definitely help bag further orders. There's always a lot of politics in train orders. So maybe Spuhler is playing to his friends in Texas by telling Obama where to stick it?
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

All this thread proves is that you actually need to be a (good) politician to be a successful CEO (unless you sell a state-granted monopoly-good like alcohol or tobacco).
And Peter Spuhler looks like he knows his way around.
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Urban legends ? No, just visit the nearest Museum and you can see that lots of Roman Standards continue up to now
It is an urban legend.

The reason we have a track gauge of 1485mm is that by accident that was the track gauge in the coal mine where George Stephenson happened to build his first locomotive. At the time there were myriad different track gauges in mines and collieries and if any two were identical it was through accident rather than design.
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Hell, no. Either your definition of "normal" and "conservative" differs widely from mine or you are not really aware of what the SVP stands for besides the posters.

1. The SVP wants out of Schengen and anything EU. That's in line with UKIP but not your normal European conservatives.
Maybe one should differentiate between not and not yet. Nobody really knows where Cameron is heading for example.

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2. The SVP broadly does not agree that human rights should be universal but depending on popular votes within Switzerland. If the Swiss popular opinion differs from international law, the Swiss vote should break it. Show me a single other European conservative party that is that extreme. And I am not talking about some extreme right fringe party, but large conservative organizations.
Define fringe. How many percent of the vote do you need to get to cease being considered fringe? The "let's agree to agree about everything" Europe of Kohl and Mitterand is history, even Merkel and Hollande have even stopped pretending they believe those days are coming back.

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3. Minarets. Nuff said.
Yes, what about minarets? What's the big difference between banning minarets and other countries banning things like Burkas? If one of those bans flies against Human Rights and the other is something that is perfectly normal for a civilized country, then I'd say something is wrong with Human Rights. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but you were just telling us how unique the SVP is in Europe.
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It is an urban legend.

The reason we have a track gauge of 1485mm is that by accident that was the track gauge in the coal mine where George Stephenson happened to build his first locomotive. At the time there were myriad different track gauges in mines and collieries and if any two were identical it was through accident rather than design.



>And where did Mr Stephenson have his track gauge from ?
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From what I've heard, Texas is interested in having Spuhler set up a factory in their state. Stadler already delivered two orders to Texan customers, the A-Train in Dallas and a commuter train in Austin. Actually making stuff in Texas and employing people there would definitely help bag further orders. There's always a lot of politics in train orders. So maybe Spuhler is playing to his friends in Texas by telling Obama where to stick it?

The Texans


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArGlfEVYqM


dislike those from the wrong side of the Potomac

and now they see that Mr Spuhler also does not like those Yankees
.. and so may take their stand with him now
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>And where did Mr Stephenson have his track gauge from ?
He built the locomotive. He didn't build the tracks. They were already there. Before coal mines had locomotives they used horses (and sometimes even humans) to pull wagons (if you're interested, there's some fascinating stuff on this at the Beamish open-air museum near Newcastle). The principle of putting wagons on rails is very old, dating possibly to ancient Greece.

And because the people who built the tracks intended them to be used to move stuff within the mine and maybe a short distance outside it, but never dreamt of a national or even international rail system - or even connecting to the next mine fot that matter (who wants to move coal from one mine to another?), they didn't need to make their tracks compatible to anybody else's. Virtually every mine had a different track gauge, and the gauge was mostly chosen ad hoc by the local craftsman.
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The reason we have a track gauge of 1485mm is
It's a good job you're not in charge at Stadler. You're trains wouldn't fit between the rails. Standard Guage is 1435mm.
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Hell, no. Either your definition of "normal" and "conservative" differs widely from mine or you are not really aware of what the SVP stands for besides the posters.

1. The SVP wants out of Schengen and anything EU. That's in line with UKIP but not your normal European conservatives.
Yes, but in immigration matters I mentioned, especially refugees, there is hardly a substantial difference to the normal European conservatives and even social-democrats nowadays.

In terms of EU membership, SVP is not in line with normal European conservative parties, but surely in most central and western European countries with normal conservative voters, and not even only the conservative ones! A lot of leftist voters don't like the EU and its institutions neither.

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2. The SVP broadly does not agree that human rights should be universal but depending on popular votes within Switzerland. If the Swiss popular opinion differs from international law, the Swiss vote should break it. Show me a single other European conservative party that is that extreme. And I am not talking about some extreme right fringe party, but large conservative organizations.
Look, actually all parties make their own interpretation of the human rights, existing treaties and constitutions. The human rights treaty just like every national constitution has a lot of contradictions within itself. They are not "universal" and also not "non-political", even though many people who don't know these treaties and constitutions have this illusion. It's all about how much weight you put on one paragraph in comparison with another paragraph in a real case. So, eg. for Social Democrats paragraph A of the human rights treaty has much more weight than paragraph B, and for the SVP vice versa. The SVP is just more honest in this sense, whereas the SP people tend to ignore or not even understand their own contradictions with international law or the Swiss constitution.

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3. Minarets. Nuff said.
Normal conservative parties in other European countries might not bring up the minaret topic, but other very similar topics that the SVP doesn't bring up - on the bottom line it's the same.
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