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Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

Handelszeitung is reporting that the Stadler Rail CEO, Peter Spuhler, turned down a White House invitation to attend a roundtable meeting in mid-January to discuss public transportation issues. Spuhler said that he already had an appointment scheduled for that day which he could not change:

http://www.handelszeitung.ch/unterne...ler-ein-718213

As mentioned in the article, the invitation came through the US Embassy in Bern. The embassy apparently thought that a Swiss businessman would jump through hoops to attend a meeting at the White House. It was wrong.

Just a guess but possibly the White House was planning to use the meeting to pressure Spuhler to cancel the contract to supply 25 "Aeroexpress" trains for the Moscow airports:

http://www.stadlerrail.com/en/news/2...-aeroexpress-/
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

Poor Obama.
Reminds me of the anecdote I read in the Jobs-biography where Obama wanted to meet with Jobs, but Jobs insisted that Obama call him directly, not through aides or intermediaries.
This went on for a while until Jobs' wife called him to order and he agreed to have a meeting setup ;-)

If what is written in the article is true, he's a true businessman: keeping his word, keeping deadlines.
The other party scheduled for that January-day would probably find out why his meeting had to be re-scheduled and may or may not feel set back.

The Obama-administration is outgoing anyway. The next administration might do another round-table, where he will probably be invited one more time ;-)
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Spuhler said that he already had an appointment scheduled for that day which he could not change:
Maybe it's his day for the washing machine.
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The embassy apparently thought that a Swiss businessman would jump through hoops to attend a meeting at the White House. It was wrong.

Just a guess but possibly the White House was planning to use the meeting to pressure Spuhler to cancel the contract to supply 25 "Aeroexpress" trains for the Moscow airports:

http://www.stadlerrail.com/en/news/2...-aeroexpress-/
The Stadler CEO is not an average business man but also a veteran politician for the SVP. Expecting a very experienced right winged politician who set up a factory in Belarus at Europe's last dictator and is building trains for Russia to jump at the opportunity to piss off all his customers at once is rather naive... and even if he would go: Spuhler and Obama have not much common ground politically...
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... and even if he would go: Spuhler and Obama have not much common ground politically...
That's incorrect, I have both of them on facebook and they both like to play Candy Crush!
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That's incorrect, I have both of them on facebook and they both like to play Candy Crush!
Obama is not allowed to have a smart phone... it's probably Michelle using his account.
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

Stadler Rail is a growing but still a niche market manufacturer of trains in a global market that is dominated by Bombardier, Alstom, Siemens, Kawasaki and two merging Chinese companies. Since Stadler is only a niche rail equipment player with 6,000 employees, it is somewhat surprising that the White House would send an invitation to Peter Spuhler for this round table.

However, as pointed out by Treverus, Stadler just set up a factory in Belarus and is focused on growth in the Russian common economic area. The White House cynically invited Spuhler so that it could "lean" on him to stop his business expansion in the Russian common economic area markets.

In the attached 36-page 2010 survey "Global Competitiveness in the Rail and Transit Business", Stadler is mentioned a grand total of two times, giving an idea of its lack of importance in the business (although its workforce has grown by nearly three times since this survey was written):

http://www.worldwatch.org/system/fil...eness-Rail.pdf
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The Stadler CEO is not an average business man but also a veteran politician for the SVP. Expecting a very experienced right winged politician who set up a factory in Belarus at Europe's last dictator and is building trains for Russia to jump at the opportunity to piss off all his customers at once is rather naive... and even if he would go: Spuhler and Obama have not much common ground politically...
People tend to be mislead by the sometimes controversial add campaigns: in fact SVP is just a normal conservative party that in many areas, even immigration, has similar views and suggested policies like social-democratic parties in neighbouring countries. The differences are more superficial and symbolic than real. And Spuhler himself is within SVP surely at the liberal and left end of the faction favouring pretty much open doors in terms of immigration.

That people like Spuhler from western europe are opening factories in Belarus is actually very much in the interests of the US, even though that is not Spuhlers intention behind it. Moscow has now a lot of problems with a Minsk that is more and more "misbehaving" and rebelling.
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

What pisses me off about this story is that the trains I'll have to ride to get from the Moscow airports into town will be the same as the Zürich S bahn.

I feel violated somehow. Bloody russkies... dey took our trains! (South Park reference)
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

Blick is running an article on Spuhler snubbing Obama: "Invitation to the White House: Even Spuhler doesn't have time for Obama":

http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/...id3376118.html
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

Interestingly, the article seems to have (been) disappeared.
Google News still links to it, but the link is 404.
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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

But unlike the Germans they never bombed your chippy.

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What pisses me off about this story is that the trains I'll have to ride to get from the Moscow airports into town will be the same as the Zürich S bahn.

I feel violated somehow. Bloody russkies... dey took our trains! (South Park reference)
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What pisses me off about this story is that the trains I'll have to ride to get from the Moscow airports into town will be the same as the Zürich S bahn.

I feel violated somehow. Bloody russkies... dey took our trains! (South Park reference)

Nice. When you in future travel from Zürich to Moscow you take the S-Bahn to Zürich-Airport, fly, and take the same S-Bahn into downtown
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in fact SVP is just a normal conservative party that in many areas, even immigration, has similar views and suggested policies like social-democratic parties in neighbouring countries. The differences are more superficial and symbolic than real.
Hell, no. Either your definition of "normal" and "conservative" differs widely from mine or you are not really aware of what the SVP stands for besides the posters.

1. The SVP wants out of Schengen and anything EU. That's in line with UKIP but not your normal European conservatives.

2. The SVP broadly does not agree that human rights should be universal but depending on popular votes within Switzerland. If the Swiss popular opinion differs from international law, the Swiss vote should break it. Show me a single other European conservative party that is that extreme. And I am not talking about some extreme right fringe party, but large conservative organizations.

3. Minarets. Nuff said.

Yes, Peter Spuhler was the most reasonable guy in the entire SVP. The only one I could ever imagine to give a vote to. But that wasn't my point at all - the point is that he is a guy with a decade of political experience on a national level... not some average CEO of a mid sized industrial company. You won't easily trick him in politics...
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I wonder if he is interested do be prime minister of Canada
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I wonder if he is interested do be prime minister of Canada

He has no time for such tasks.
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1. The SVP wants out of Schengen and anything EU.

2. The SVP broadly does not agree that human rights should be universal but depending on popular votes within Switzerland. If the Swiss popular opinion differs from international law, the Swiss vote should break it.

3. Minarets.
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Nice. When you in future travel from Zürich to Moscow you take the S-Bahn to Zürich-Airport, fly, and take the same S-Bahn into downtown
The Stadler KISS trains for Moscow are a modified design being 70cm higher and 60cm wider than the standard version. It was determined that Russian women need more room with their high-heels and big furry coats. Seating is also 5-across:

"KISSes For Russia
The Stadler Aeroexpress train is based on the company's KISS commuter train, modified for Russia and given the designation KISS Rus. It will be 700 millimeters higher than similar European trains and 600 millimeters wider, suitable for use on Russia's broad 1520-millimeter rail gauge."

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...ip/498440.html
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The Stadler KISS trains for Moscow are a modified design being 70cm higher and 60cm wider than the standard version. It was determined that Russian women need more room with their high-heels and big furry coats. Seating is also 5-across:

"KISSes For Russia
The Stadler Aeroexpress train is based on the company's KISS commuter train, modified for Russia and given the designation KISS Rus. It will be 700 millimeters higher than similar European trains and 600 millimeters wider, suitable for use on Russia's broad 1520-millimeter rail gauge."

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...ip/498440.html

the article does NOT contain anything about furry coats, but only about the wide rail gauge introduced in the times of the Romanov Czars (Alexander III) which was carried on by the USSR. True, I on a 4-day-visit to Moscow in 2001 (Moscow Air Show ) wondered about the height of the waggons of the Moscow Tube, but if you have a basis of a wide gauge you also can care for the taller ones of your passengers. Over here I find the height of the S-Bahn-waggons more than sufficient, but I sometimes see tall chaps on the S-Bahn who have to be careful exactly when leaving


So that the idea to
A) establish more space and
B) start a production of USSR gauge railways in Minsk
makes commercial sense


Nothing to do with the high heels. In the early 1960ies btw. young women here bundled their hair up to virtual pyramids above their heads http://www.nzz.ch/aktuell/zuerich/zu...rni-1.17960286 (in the middle of the video), and nobody cared

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Re: Stadler CEO rejects White House Invitation

Probably was 80% irony.
But the width of the gauge is intriguing - I've read that the European (and subsequently also the American) gauge dates back to the gauge of Roman carts.
But that may be an urban legend - I've never looked into the sources.
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