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I'm with Crazygringo.

After personally reading Suzi LeVine's post in FB, I found nothing wrong with her questioning. She analyzed the situation correctly (chaotic queues) and asked politely for understanding and mastery of the situation.

Switzerland's media reaction is rather deplorable to say the least. The Ambassador was asking for help and the media made her into a incompetent nincompoop.

If anything, this is a typical clash of culture using stereotypical features:

1. Americans being straightforward and asking for help on an issue, which is a sign of strength in the US culture.
2. The Swiss finding the idea of asking for help as a sign of weakness in the Swiss culture.

I hope Suzi reads this so she'll understand what happened.
Well I am neither Swiss nor American and don`t find the queues chaotic at all. At least in the meaning of confused or disorderly. Everybody has the same goal and that is to get back up to the top. If skiers want to gaze at the sky or fish out a toffee then fair enough if they get overtaken. He who is first may later be last.
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I'm Swiss, and she's correct with her criticism.

Swiss ski resort were built in the 70s or so, and nothing changed on a major scale. Same system, same lifts, etc. The only thing that changes constantly, is the price. CHF 80 per person for a day? Come on.
Compared to north-american prices it is f..... cheap!

Jackson Hole, Wyoming: $104! PPP-adjusted: CHF 166!!!!
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Old 07.01.2015, 18:41
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She spoke the truth.
In her role, she should have kept quiet. That's the story.
After reading the quote, I think that's what it boils down to. You can be a tourist and post on FB about the queues and disorganization but as an ambassador you're just supposed to post about pretty mountains and snow (and fondue, probably). Anything outside the lines and you're going to wind up in the tabloids, especially if you're a political appointee and not a "proper" diplomat.
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Amb. Suzi's Facebook moaning about how Swiss ski lift lines are not organized according to her "Exceptional American" wishes has now appeared in at least the following newspapers:

1. Blick
2. Tagesanzeiger
3. Südost Schweiz
4. Der Bund
5. Berner Oberlander
6. Bote der Urschweiz
7. Le Matin
8. The Local Switzerland

She may wish to update her resume and begin packing.

She with her provocations already got more Input within a few months than other US ambassadors in their full term. She is not to win elections here but to get Information.
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After reading the quote, I think that's what it boils down to. You can be a tourist and post on FB about the queues and disorganization but as an ambassador you're just supposed to post about pretty mountains and snow (and fondue, probably). Anything outside the lines and you're going to wind up in the tabloids, especially if you're a political appointee and not a "proper" diplomat.
her predecessor was pretty funny in "Der Grosse Kanton", and hardly said things typical of a diplomat.



my own suspicion is that what really upset the folks at Blick was her use of the phrase "Ich habe eine frage".
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PaddyG: This may be the case but in Central Switzerland, I have yet to see this. I find standing in line at a ski lift very competitive. I work out a strategy to keep people from passing me by finding any available space in front of me, no matter how small, and pushing my way into that space. I'll manouver skis, lean into people and use my poles to gain any edge I can. Apologies are not allowed and the feeling of success in passing the person next to me is satisfying.

Otherwise, I'm quite patient and passive.

Between 1960 and 1987, in Swiss ski resorts, people had to queue at ski lifts of all sorts. Sure there always were "specialists" in foul-play, but clearly NOT the rule. Yes. if you insisted on being with a friend on the ski-lift you had to wait a moment as they "filled" up empty spaces with "single-persons". Sure, at times, the capacity was not sufficient. I here refer to places like Flims, Hochybrig, Serfaus/OE, Klosters, Davos, Flumserberg, Wildhaus, Alt St. Johann, Ebnat-Kappel plus the Albis-Pass




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She spoke the truth.
In her role, she should have kept quiet. That's the story.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/sn...lift-rant.html


I think if Ambassador LeVine walked on water, someone would still find fault.



NO, she is
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NOT to keep quiet
TO ASK questions to get opinions and Information
NOT to get elected here
NOT to be always correct and know everything
NOT to please everybody


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I think if Ambassador LeVine walked on water, someone would still find fault.
"If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read: 'President Can't Swim.'" - Lyndon B. Johnson
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Re: Amb. Suzi lays an egg!

Perhaps we can pool enough money together to send dear Suzi a ski ticket for one of the french resorts, or even better the Italian ones, and see what she has to say about queues thereafter? Even better if it is valid during the Paris school holidays.
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I'm Swiss, and she's correct with her criticism.

Swiss ski resort were built in the 70s or so, and nothing changed on a major scale. Same system, same lifts, etc. The only thing that changes constantly, is the price. CHF 80 per person for a day? Come on.

Most of the resorts were built between 1950 and 1970, some even before WW-II. Most were extended and expanded, particularily the ski-lifts, but the systems were not upgraded


As you say, upgraded only were the prices.
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She with her provocations already got more Input within a few months than other US ambassadors in their full term. She is not to win elections here but to get Information.
Perhaps, but one might have a better opinion of her job performance were she to get information of the disastrous effects of FATCA rather than ski-lift lines on public holidays.

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Suzi LeVine, US ambassador to Switzerland, said Swiss ski lifts in Adelboden were chaotic:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/sn...lift-rant.html

It's survival of the fittest - learnt from a very early age ...... and she doesn't look 'fit' to me.


Maybe she should have stopped wishing those around her 'to have a nice day' and got on with the barging required.
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To call something "chaotic" is anything but diplomatic. The problem may be more with the phrasing, rather than the question itself.
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To call something "chaotic" is anything but diplomatic. The problem may be more with the phrasing, rather than the question itself.
Mm, the word is a lot harsher in (Swiss) German than in (American) English. When an American says or writes that something is "chaotic", it is barely stronger than "messy" or "durcheinander". Not nearly the shock value of "chaotisch".
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Now, to relax a bit, nobody destroyed the Swiss financial sector, as less than 5% depended on the bank-secret. In Switzerland, everybody is within an hour from skiing areas, while average people in the USA are at least 10 hours away, which causes a different perspective. .
Nobody in the US thinks driving 10 or more hours is a big deal. In Switzerland many people think one hour is too much. So when you correct the distances for that, Americans actually have it easier to go skiing than the Swiss.
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Nobody in the US thinks driving 10 or more hours is a big deal. In Switzerland many people think one hour is too much. So when you correct the distances for that, Americans actually have it easier to go skiing than the Swiss.

Actually, lots of people in the US think driving 10 or more hours is a big deal, especially if you're from the north east where things are not so far apart. But I do agree that tolerance for driving distance is greater in the US.
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Actually, lots of people in the US think driving 10 or more hours is a big deal, especially if you're from the north east where things are not so far apart. But I do agree that tolerance for driving distance is greater in the US.
Especially given the speed restrictions!
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It's survival of the fittest - learnt from a very early age ...... and she doesn't look 'fit' to me.
A photo in a Schweizer Illustrierte article shows Amb. Suzi working out (or praying) in a gym with fine equipment (see p.3):

http://www.amcham.ch/media/downloads...amasCHLady.pdf

If anyone is wondering where the $10,000 FBAR fines go for failing to declare a £1 credit on a London Tube Oyster Card, that might be the explanation:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2013/08/tax
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"Tips für schöne Ausfugsorte nehme ich gerne entgegen"

Don`t tempt me Suzi.
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Old 08.01.2015, 16:48
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Mm, the word is a lot harsher in (Swiss) German than in (American) English. When an American says or writes that something is "chaotic", it is barely stronger than "messy" or "durcheinander". Not nearly the shock value of "chaotisch".
Shouldn't it be a diplomats bread and butter to consider how any given word might be perceived? While she may have a point, it's common knowledge that how you phrase a message often determines its success.
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fyi, her question is really no different than the questions I asked my Swiss colleagues about the way Swiss drivers are taught to merge when faced with construction or a lane closure on the motorway (Swiss drivers stay in their lanes until the last possible moment to merge, even when they are alerted 2km in advance of a lane closure, which would get you killed in America and many European countries)
Completely off topic, but that's an actually more efficient way of merging lanes (pdf link)

Back on topic:

1) I understand that certain people in certain places have to be careful, but saying that a line is chaotic is hardly "bashing on the winter tourism economy". I mean ffs, this thing with people getting offence for every single god damn thing (including the use of "god" in the sentence probably) is very annoying, and counter-productive in most cases

2) Can someone explain what's so different with lines in the States? I guess you could force people sitting together so you don't have empty chairs, or make lanes longer that lead to the card readers so it's a little more orderly, but what was she expecting anyway? Cues like the trains in Japan?

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