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Old 06.04.2015, 17:20
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Of course Czechoslovakia was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire where the official language was German (plus some local additions) until the defeat of the empire in 1918. So at the time the Nazis arrived most Czechs could speak German anyway.
Nonsense.

Each area had their own language. In Trieste, for example, few people spoke German in 1918, most spoke Slovene, and of course even less when the Nazis arrived and it was part of Italy.

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Old 06.04.2015, 20:17
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Of course Czechoslovakia was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire where the official language was German (plus some local additions) until the defeat of the empire in 1918. So at the time the Nazis arrived most Czechs could speak German anyway.

Did the President comment about his gratitude at having to learn Russian?
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Nonsense.

Each area had their own language. In Trieste, for example, few people spoke German in 1918, most spoke Slovene, and of course even less when the Nazis arrived and it was part of Italy.

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I wrote the official language was German (plus some local additions) which part of "local additions" did you fail to understand?

Even in Trieste German was the language of the Austrian bureaucracy so you needed to speak it to get a proper job.
According to the 1911 census the village of Miramare in Trieste had a majority of German speakers; and as mentioned many people needed to speak German as their second language.
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Re: Amb. Suzi lays an egg! [Ambassador criticises ski lifts in CH]

Here is an exceptionally well written article which includes a discussion about US ambassadors, and which may help to steer this thread back on topic (mea culpa, I am also not blameless in the side tracking) which as a reminder of the topic, it is, well, US Ambassadors and their faux pas :
http://rt.com/op-edge/247173-us-amba...-europe-czech/
Of course, the article does not politely ignore the case of the ambassador to the Czech Republic, and for those who may, on reading it, require an outlet for any rabid Russo-phobia, there are at least two other, constantly nursed threads in this forum devoted to this purpose.
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Here is an exceptionally well written article which includes a discussion about US ambassadors, and which may help to steer this thread back on topic (mea culpa, I am also not blameless in the side tracking) which as a reminder of the topic, it is, well, US Ambassadors and their faux pas :
http://rt.com/op-edge/247173-us-amba...-europe-czech/
Of course, the article does not politely ignore the case of the ambassador to the Czech Republic, and for those who may, on reading it, require an outlet for any rabid Russo-phobia, there are at least two other, constantly nursed threads in this forum devoted to this purpose.
Well I still fail to understand why the president of any Soviet republic would visit Russia for such a celebration; I thought Russia was trying to distance itself from ancient Soviet actions?

Anyway American ambassadors comments are very mild compared to Russian. Only a couple of weeks ago Russia's ambassador to Denmark warned that Danish ships will become targets for Russian nuclear weapons if Denmark joins Nato's missile defence system.
It was not so long ago a Russian ambassador threatened to annihilate Qatar.
Imagine the reaction if an American ambassador had threatened the Czech Republic (or anywhere else) with nuclear weapons!

About "may help to steer this thread back on topic"! how is the Czech Republic linked to Swiss ski lifts? - if this is an example of your steering then I hope I am never in a car with you
About "as a reminder of the topic, it is, well, US Ambassadors and their faux pas :" No wrong, why do you write this false statement?
It is about the American ambassadoress to Switzerland.
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Old 07.04.2015, 00:18
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I wrote the official language was German (plus some local additions) which part of "local additions" did you fail to understand?

Even in Trieste German was the language of the Austrian bureaucracy so you needed to speak it to get a proper job.
Strange, my wife's ancesters in Trieste didn't speak German, yet had 'proper' jobs, enough so that she still has property there.

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Old 07.04.2015, 02:44
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Strange, my wife's ancesters in Trieste didn't speak German, yet had 'proper' jobs, enough so that she still has property there.

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Usually if you have a job that requires formal qualifications or registration or regular completion of forms, tax returns, etc. you need to know the official language. Maybe was different in Trieste versus Czechoslovakia?

Trieste was anyway strange in that people mostly spoke a dialect called Triestine whereas in the surrounding countryside they spoke Slavic dialects.
If they did not use German for forms I do not know what the written language was? Possibly Italian since it was a language recognised by the Austro-Hungarian empire although German was the "official" language

After world war 1 it was occupied by Italy. In the last part of the second world war Trieste was in dispute between Italy and Yugoslavia and much later was divided between them. Italian is now the official language for Trieste and for forms and official communications.
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Nonsense.

Each area had their own language. In Trieste, for example, few people spoke German in 1918, most spoke Slovene, and of course even less when the Nazis arrived and it was part of Italy.

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What on earth has Trieste (Trst, in Slovene) to do with Czechoslovakia? Are you confusing Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, with which Trieste did have rather a lot to do?
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There was a similar ceremony recently in Auschwitz, Poland. Putin wasn't invited and didn't attend. IIRC the russian president used to be informally informed and attended, but this year that wasn't enough - Putin didn't come because he hadn't been formally (officially) invited. At least that's how I remember it being presented in the news here.

With this kind of prologue, and with EU being the imposer of ongoing sanctions, it would look odd if Merkel attended.
Well earlier this year the Polish foreign minister reminded everyone that the Soviet Union invaded Poland in 1939 under the terms of the Ribbentrop Molotov pact that divided parts of Europe (Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland) between Germany and the Soviet Union. So I assume the Poles have mixed feelings about this history.
This pact continued until Germany attacked Russia.
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Well earlier this year the Polish foreign minister reminded everyone that the Soviet Union invaded Poland in 1939 under the terms of the Ribbentrop Molotov pact that divided parts of Europe (Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland) between Germany and the Soviet Union. So I assume the Poles have mixed feelings about this history.
This pact continued until Germany attacked Russia.
I would have thought that, at the risk of perpetuating an off-topic strand of this tread, any balanced statement of Poland's 1939 history, would have included the not insignificant fact of Germany's invasion of Poland on 1st of September, effectively starting WW2. But then, maybe, the Polish foreign minister's revision of historical facts, with his little omissions, had the noble purpose of sparing Germany embarrassment and further demonising Russia, a current sport, or, just maybe, his remarks have been incompletely paraphrased in the quotation above.
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I would have thought that, at the risk of perpetuating an off-topic strand of this tread, any balanced statement of Poland's 1939 history, would have included the not insignificant fact of Germany's invasion of Poland on 1st of September, effectively starting WW2. But then, maybe, the Polish foreign minister's revision of historical facts, with his little omissions, had the noble purpose of sparing Germany embarrassment and further demonising Russia, a current sport, or, just maybe, his remarks have been incompletely paraphrased in the quotation above.
Lol!
The German invasion of Poland began on 1 September 1939, one week after the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, while the Soviet invasion commenced on 17 September following the Molotov-Tōgō agreement which terminated the Russian and Japanese hostilities (Nomonhan incident) in the east on 16 September.

The Soviet Red Army's invasion of Eastern Poland on 17 September, in accordance with a secret protocol of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, rendered the Polish plan of defence obsolete. Facing a second front, the Polish government concluded the defence of the Romanian Bridgehead was no longer feasible and ordered an emergency evacuation of all troops to neutral Romania.
On 6 October, following the Polish defeat at the Battle of Kock, German and Soviet forces gained full control over Poland. The success of the invasion marked the end of the Second Polish Republic.

Of course you are free to deny the historical facts of the Soviet invasion but one must wonder what is your motivation for this denial and how you profit from this
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Lol!
The German invasion of Poland began on 1 September 1939, one week after the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, while the Soviet invasion commenced on 17 September following the Molotov-Tōgō agreement which terminated the Russian and Japanese hostilities (Nomonhan incident) in the east on 16 September.

The Soviet Red Army's invasion of Eastern Poland on 17 September, in accordance with a secret protocol of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, rendered the Polish plan of defence obsolete. Facing a second front, the Polish government concluded the defence of the Romanian Bridgehead was no longer feasible and ordered an emergency evacuation of all troops to neutral Romania.
On 6 October, following the Polish defeat at the Battle of Kock, German and Soviet forces gained full control over Poland. The success of the invasion marked the end of the Second Polish Republic.

Of course you are free to deny the historical facts of the Soviet invasion but one must wonder what is your motivation for this denial and how you profit from this

The statement of Me.Anon is not only fashionable but deeply coined by the views of most people grown up in Central Europe. A view which was supported by Dwight D Eisenhower (dä Iisehauer in Schwiizertüütsch), General deGaulle, Harold Macmillan and Konrad Adenauer.


I well remember the Moment when our history teacher in about 1966 asked about who in the class would favour a German REunification. PRO were a Turkish Boy, an Israeli Girl and ME.- 3 out of 32 -- and this mirrors general public opinion in those days
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Re: Amb. Suzi lays an egg! [Ambassador criticises ski lifts in CH]

Briefly returning to the topic of the Moscow celebrations of the Soviet Union success in WW II, it seems the Russian freight rocket supposed to replenish ISS supplies today has gone off course and will likely crash!
It also carried Russian goodies to help the astronauts join the Soviet Union jamboree; maybe they will be able to find some old US flags to wave instead as these goodies missed their target.
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