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News about weed legalization in some CH cities

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Did anyone heard any update about the weed legalization in some CH cities like Zurich/Winterthur?

I know that there was an idea around March last year that they would allow people to buy small quantities of weed for personal use in the special shops.

Any news about that moving forward?
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Re: News about weed legalization in some CH cities

There's something going on in Geneva but, of course SVP says no.

http://www.thelocal.ch/20150107/gene...mull-marijuana

"He said it was "totally absurd" that the country's cigarette laws could become more restrictive than those governing marijuana."

Science simply doesn't exist for SVP.
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If they would allow it, most of the young people would get addict.
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Re: News about weed legalization in some CH cities

The above it not really true.... in US where this is legal they don't noticed any major number of people being addicted than before.

On the other hand they have noticed crime decrease and huge earning plus additional number of jobs which this business created.
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Re: News about weed legalization in some CH cities

Yeah, as we know from history every prohibition was very successful. Oh, wait

Keeping weed illegal is not only noneffective, it's counter effective. People smoke stuff from unknown source, gangsters make money, average user faces fines (somewhere) or jail (elsewhere).
The problem is that debate about legalization is political not scientific.
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If they would allow it, most of the young people would get addict.
Actually cannabis is not that addictive at all, especially when compared to another freely and legally available drug - nictotine.

Around 10% of regular cannabis users go on to develop a dependency, and these tend to be the heaviest users. Even when you have a dependence the withdrawal effects when giving up are pretty mild.

In contrast around 100% of regular cigarette smokers are dependent on nicotine, and the withdrawal effects are markedly stronger.

Personally I'd rather have cannabis legalised, and nicotine criminalised - and I'm a ciggie smoker.
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If they would allow it, most of the young people would get addict.
Not necessarily. Weed is already very popular around here among the young, and legalisation may actually make it less attractive. And usually the resulting addiction is not for weed but for nicotine.

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The above it not really true.... in US where this is legal they don't noticed any major number of people being addicted than before.

On the other hand they have noticed crime decrease and huge earning plus additional number of jobs which this business created.
Hasn't the legalization come into effect merely one year ago? In that case it's probably too early draw conclusions.

Washington state has very high price due to taxation, and a glut of legal weed to boot. The legal stuff can't compete with the illegal, that makes me wonder if the situation, other than the lack of prosecution of consomption, has changed much. Producers are expecting to sell their curren harvest for $4-5 (reportedly they got about $20 for the first).

Oregon, on the other hand, is structured to limit production, which protects price. I'm waiting for the first headlines saying weed smugglers have been caught smuggling large volumes from Washington state to Oregon and California, and giving legalization a bad name.

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I'm in agreement with slaphead, if either were to be illegal it should be nicotine, not weed. I'm ex-smoker, and I don't like weed.
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Did anyone heard any update about the weed legalization in some CH cities like Zurich/Winterthur?
First of all, it's still illegal all over Switzerland due to federal legislation.

What has been changed recently (IIRC) is that possession can be dealt with a simple administrative fine. (CHF 100?)

AFAIK enforcement varies wildly between cantons/cities.
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Not necessarily. Weed is already very popular around here among the young, and legalisation may actually make it less attractive. And usually the resulting addiction is not for weed but for nicotine.



Hasn't the legalization come into effect merely one year ago? In that case it's probably too early draw conclusions.

Washington state has very high price due to taxation, and a glut of legal weed to boot. The legal stuff can't compete with the illegal, that makes me wonder if the situation, other than the lack of prosecution of consomption, has changed much. Producers are expecting to sell their curren harvest for $4-5 (reportedly they got about $20 for the first).

Oregon, on the other hand, is structured to limit production, which protects price. I'm waiting for the first headlines saying weed smugglers have been caught smuggling large volumes from Washington state to Oregon and California, and giving legalization a bad name.

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I'm in agreement with slaphead, if either were to be illegal it should be nicotine, not weed. I'm ex-smoker, and I don't like weed.
A very good friend of mine in Michigan operates a state licensed marijuana cooperative farm. I disagree legal weed is not as good as illegal stuff. The reason illegal has different effects as because it is isn't regulated all sorts of other things can get laced in there. Such as LSD. With a farm, my friend has a laboratory that is state health department inspected where he can develop new strands and increase intensity and flavor. Plus keeps additives out.

I do not smoke marijuana but I have always been pro Pot. I think criminalization of it has caused a major waste of police resources, especially where I am from, Detroit, where buying a joint will cost you 2 dollars on the street, and it can lead to jail time(pre state "legalization"). Where a bottle of 8 Ball will cost you about the same, and lead to car accident.
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First of all, it's still illegal all over Switzerland due to federal legislation.

What has been changed recently (IIRC) is that possession can be dealt with a simple administrative fine. (CHF 100?)

AFAIK enforcement varies wildly between cantons/cities.
Yes it's 100 CHF - not that I was fined but I read about it here and there.
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Re: News about weed legalization in some CH cities

The case of the US is special due to fact that it's a federation. Every state has different laws, taxes etc. And the fact that weed is still illegal at federal level implies a lot of complications. In example - "weed entrepreneurs" are unable to open a bank account, cause banks are afraid of being accused of involvement in drug business. I think that, when they finally legalize it in entire country it's a matter of few years to establish a proper legislation. If something has been handled so badly through decades, there's no easy way to make it right.

By the way, have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7oF3N30rUc
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The case of the US is special due to fact that it's a federation. Every state has different laws, taxes etc. And the fact that weed is still illegal at federal level implies a lot of complications.
Clearly a huge difference to Switzerland.
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Re: News about weed legalization in some CH cities

In Switzerland this was considered as a pilot project in March 2014 where some cities wanted to test how this would go despite of the fact of the federal law.

Well looks like nothing has moved since then.... damm
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I do not smoke marijuana but I have always been pro Pot. I think criminalization of it has caused a major waste of police resources, especially where I am from, Detroit, where buying a joint will cost you 2 dollars on the street, and it can lead to jail time(pre state "legalization"). Where a bottle of 8 Ball will cost you about the same, and lead to car accident.
Because cannabis cannot cause accidents?

Cannabis drivers 'twice as likely to cause car crash'
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Clearly a huge difference to Switzerland.
I was referring to the problem in general, not only under Swiss or US conditions.
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A very good friend of mine in Michigan operates a state licensed marijuana cooperative farm. I disagree legal weed is not as good as illegal stuff.
Where did I address quality? Nothing to agree or disagree.

With that said, I doubt that many people will care when they have to pay triple for legal weed. 50% higher might work, but not 200%.

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Because cannabis cannot cause accidents?

Cannabis drivers 'twice as likely to cause car crash'
Alcohol is legal and increases the likelihood of causing an accident. What's the lawmakers reaction?
By extension, what would be the reasonable action by the lawmaker if cannabis got legalized?

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Where did I address quality? Nothing to agree or disagree.

With that said, I doubt that many people will care when they have to pay triple for legal weed. 50% higher might work, but not 200%.
My apologies. I thought you meant that in your response.
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Alcohol is legal and increases the likelihood of causing an accident. What's the lawmakers reaction?
By extension, what would be the reasonable action by the lawmaker if cannabis got legalized?
I would follow booze-makers "responsible drinking campaign". You just need to ask people to drink responsibly. Here's a little example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF1E5ZO8Lug
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Alcohol is legal and increases the likelihood of causing an accident. What's the lawmakers reaction?
By extension, what would be the reasonable action by the lawmaker if cannabis got legalized?

In an ideal world, we would have banned drinking and driving at any level; cigarettes would never have got on the market, ever; guns would never have been sold to the public etc etc etc.

Just because somethings that are legal are obviously not ideal, or simply wrong is not a good argument for introducing news to allow the legalization of banned and harmful substances.
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Re: News about weed legalization in some CH cities

In Luzern at least, it's still illegal, but penalties have been reduced to an on the spot fine of 100CHF fro small amounts, if you get caught. (http://www.zentralplus.ch/de/news/ge...h-dem-Hanf.htm)

Some locations are rife with it and you can smell it in the air, parks by the lake in summer for example, certain bars and clubs are happy to tolerate skinning up inside so long as it's taken outside to smoke, certain clubs that allow smoking may tolerate it inside (Although it may depend on who organised the night and who the security is). TBH, you can tell by the crowd who frequent the place. Police rarely seem to bother such spots and turn a blind eye, or maybe people see them coming.

I've heard of fines delivered closer to the town and around the station, so maybe they're just concerned with family and tourist spots.
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