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I use to keep some distance to US embassies usually guarded by trigger happy US Marines --- not without good reasons -- and that Police in this area is nervous is well understandable


While I do NOT quite see what a a brown-log Memorial is I would take it easy


Wolly ! I have to give it to you straight ,I trust a marine with a M16 before I would trust your with you opinions

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Old 21.02.2015, 16:41
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I use to keep some distance to US embassies usually guarded by trigger happy US Marines --- not without good reasons -- and that Police in this area is nervous is well understandable

Wolli whilst this isn't one of the largest exagerations on this forum, it's certainly easily up in the top third.

When exactly was the last time you read about some US soldier/Marine shooting somebody outside a US embassy. Doesn't really matter if it the said person was injured or killed.

Can you even begin to imagime the diplomatic uproar this would cause, just think of the exagerations you coulds come out with then.

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Wolli whilst this isn't one of the largest exagerations on this forum, it's certainly easily up in the top third.

When exactly was the last time you read about some US soldier/Marine shooting somebody outside a US embassy. Doesn't really matter if it the said person was injured or killed.

Can you even begin to imagime the diplomatic uproar this would cause, just think of the exagerations you coulds come out with then.

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Exaggeration due to YOUR interpretation.


The only shots fired out of an embassy in CH came out of the Turkish embassy.


US Marines really shooting ? There WERE incidents, décades ago, one or two, I do not remember the détails.


BUT, what IS noticed is that US embassies are protected by military personnel of the USA. This is not the case with Britain, France, Germany or Italy. Everybody else trusts the Berner Kantonspolizei
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Re: US Embassy calls the cops

Just off the news wire:

"Bern Embassy to construct moat
Tue 24 Feb 2015 13:49 am CET
BERN (SND) As a counter-terrorism measure, a US State Department spokesperson said today that construction of a moat on the property of the US Embassy in Bern, Switzerland has been approved. Water will be diverted from the nearby Aare river to fill the moat which will be stocked with river crocodiles.

The State Department spokesperson, Jennifer Psaki-Fusspilz, also emphatically denied that there were plans to construct a tower over the American Citizen Services entrance to dump boiling oil on the renunciant waiting line. She said that there were other more effective methods to prevent American citizens from giving up their citizenship. She said that the recent 422% increase in the renunciation fee might not be the last increase: "American citizenship is priceless and the renunciation fee will reflect this in the future."

Bundesrat Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf said that a building permit was not necessary for construction of the moat, although this was the first she knew of the embassy's plans. While acknowledging that diversion of the Aare to the embassy's moat might result in a dry river for part of the year, she said that the Bundesrat will hold discussions with the embassy requiring it to supply water to neighborhoods with trucks, like in third-world countries. She added: "We always do whatever the United States wishes and we are certain that residents of Bern will support the superpower in its anti-terrorism efforts." "
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Exaggeration due to YOUR interpretation.

The only shots fired out of an embassy in CH came out of the Turkish embassy.

US Marines really shooting ? There WERE incidents, décades ago, one or two, I do not remember the détails.

BUT, what IS noticed is that US embassies are protected by military personnel of the USA. This is not the case with Britain, France, Germany or Italy. Everybody else trusts the Berner Kantonspolizei
I have been unable to find any recorded instance of a US Marine Security Guard firing his weapon against an intruder or attacker. Wikipedia has a list of attacks on US embassies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks...tic_facilities

It is true that MSGs are armed. In the UK where embassies are not allowed to arm themselves, the MSGs are treated by the Embassy, and tacitly by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, as if they were part of NATO Forces, which they are not.

The MSGs are diplomatic support personnel (i.e. with limited functional immunity) except in countries (Algeria comes to mind) where everybody, including even expat teachers at the American School is (or was, last time I looked) on the Diplomatic List.

As for someone being questioned by Swiss police when proposing to leave something in the vicinity of an embassy, I don't see much difference with the UK where there are (discreetly, mostly) armed Diplomatic Protection Group officers outside certain embassies. And, these days, uniformed and armed ones outside the French consulate at the intersection of Cromwell Road and Queens Gate.

Guards (who may be police, I don't know) will ask for ID of people they do not know who enter certain synagogues. Some years ago I was interrogated when entering the synagogue in Lausanne: the security may well be even tighter today.

The MSG program is described here: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/138440.pdf
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Old 24.02.2015, 16:52
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Re: US Embassy calls the cops

Aren't embassies and the land they standf on considered as soveraign territorry of the country whom they represent ?

Therefore you cna have armed personnel. In London not so easy to see armed personnel as the property stops at the bottom step of the embassy, but open the door.... !
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Aren't embassies and the land they standf on considered as soveraign territorry of the country whom they represent ?

Therefore you cna have armed personnel. In London not so easy to see armed personnel as the property stops at the bottom step of the embassy, but open the door.... !
No. An embassy is on the territory of the host country, although under the Vienna Convention, the local government or law enforcement has no right to enter without permission of the ambassador.
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Regardless of anything, the holier than thou attitude of some of you hypocrites is just pathetic. I would like to see your reaction, if some draped up people start placing items around your residence. You'd be the first ones to call the police.

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BUT, what IS noticed is that US embassies are protected by military personnel of the USA. This is not the case with Britain, France, Germany or Italy. Everybody else trusts the Berner Kantonspolizei
I don't think anybody has suggested that it was anyone other than the Bern police who conducted the control at issue here.

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BUT, what IS noticed is that US embassies are protected by military personnel of the USA. This is not the case with Britain, France, Germany or Italy. Everybody else trusts the Berner Kantonspolizei
The last time I was at the US embassy (~8 months ago, when my daughter was born) in Bern all the guards external to the embassy (e.g. in booths on the street) were Berner Kantonspolizei, just as they are by the British, Canadian, and Israeli embassies in Bern (to name some that I've happened to walk by in my travels).

This is in line with the Vienna Convention, which states that the host country must protect an embassy from intrusion or damage.

The guards at the security checkpoint inside the US embassy property were Securitas contractors. I didn't see any US military personnel anywhere in the publicly-accessible areas, though that doesn't mean they weren't somewhere else inside.
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Re: US Embassy calls the cops

This was posted on the Wall Street Journal website a few days ago by a retired Foreign Service Officer:

"im a retired fso who spent my 28 year career all as a consular officer overseas. it almost seems that 9/11 was used as a pretext by the u.s. to wage war on our own overseas americans: exorbitant fees for consular services, inaccesible embassies, hard to get appts to see a consular officer, facta, closing of overseas irs assistance offices, a washington bureaucracy that really does not 'care.' by the time i retired in 2011 i was almost ashamed, overseas americans deserve much, much better."

http://blogs.wsj.com/expat/2015/02/1.../tab/comments/

Since the Obama administration decided to criminalize the ordinary existence of Americans living abroad, I've decided to never lift a finger to help or assist the US Embassy or US government employees working abroad. Indeed, occasional ridicule of these idiots seems justified.
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The guards at the security checkpoint inside the US embassy property were Securitas contractors.
This website indicates that Protectas SA, not Securitas, was the private security service in 2014. I believe this firm has done it for years:

http://www.publiccontractors.com/Pro...A/2713041.html
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Just off the news wire:

"Bern Embassy to construct moat
Tue 24 Feb 2015 13:49 am CET
BERN (SND) As a counter-terrorism measure, a US State Department spokesperson said today that construction of a moat on the property of the US Embassy in Bern, Switzerland has been approved. Water will be diverted from the nearby Aare river to fill the moat which will be stocked with river crocodiles. [...]

Bundesrat Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf said that a building permit was not necessary for construction of the moat, although this was the first she knew of the embassy's plans. While acknowledging that diversion of the Aare to the embassy's moat might result in a dry river for part of the year, she said that the Bundesrat will hold discussions with the embassy requiring it to supply water to neighborhoods with trucks, like in third-world countries. She added: "We always do whatever the United States wishes and we are certain that residents of Bern will support the superpower in its anti-terrorism efforts." "
Nice try Mullhollander, but not very convincing.

In reality, Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf would publicly state that the US Embassy would not get a single liter of Aare water, and she would present a list of legal reasons, the totally illegal crocodiles being just one among many. Two weeks later she would sign the permit to divert the entire Aare not only to the Embassy but to Washington, DC, plus free veterinary service for the crocodiles.
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Old 24.02.2015, 20:35
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The guards at the security checkpoint inside the US embassy property were Securitas contractors. I didn't see any US military personnel anywhere in the publicly-accessible areas, though that doesn't mean they weren't somewhere else inside.
Sshh! There is a Navy Seal Team stationed there at all times deployable in 2 minutes if needed. They normally go around abducting individuals from their beds at night.

Seriously, Mods, why is this thread still open?

If there isn't a clinical diagnosis yet, there should be one for this: Americaphobia. But its nothing new. This from David Bowie (1997):
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The last time I was at the US embassy (~8 months ago, when my daughter was born) in Bern all the guards external to the embassy (e.g. in booths on the street) were Berner Kantonspolizei, just as they are by the British, Canadian, and Israeli embassies in Bern (to name some that I've happened to walk by in my travels).

This is in line with the Vienna Convention, which states that the host country must protect an embassy from intrusion or damage.

The guards at the security checkpoint inside the US embassy property were Securitas contractors. I didn't see any US military personnel anywhere in the publicly-accessible areas, though that doesn't mean they weren't somewhere else inside.
the US military personnel inside embassies are Marine Security Guards. The way I understand it they are the police and first responders inside the embassy as local personnel cannot enter the embassy unless approved by the regional security officer

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Congress expects the Marine Corps to be more forward deployed and to demonstrate that it's a crisis-reaction force.

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Nice try Mullhollander, but not very convincing.

In reality, Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf would publicly state that the US Embassy would not get a single liter of Aare water, and she would present a list of legal reasons, the totally illegal crocodiles being just one among many. Two weeks later she would sign the permit to divert the entire Aare not only to the Embassy but to Washington, DC, plus free veterinary service for the crocodiles.
Okay, let's try this one:

You're walking along the banks of the Aare in Bern and see the US Ambassador swimming in the river. Suddenly, you notice that she is caught in the current and going down.

You need to make a quick decision. If you dive into the water you'll ruin the Nokia 6810 in your pocket but, if you don't, she may drown. What would a responsible person do?

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Use the Nokia to call 117 for a body recovery. It's easier to replace a US Ambassador than an 20 year old cell phone.
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The last time I was at the US embassy (~8 months ago, when my daughter was born) in Bern all the guards external to the embassy (e.g. in booths on the street) were Berner Kantonspolizei, just as they are by the British, Canadian, and Israeli embassies in Bern (to name some that I've happened to walk by in my travels).

This is in line with the Vienna Convention, which states that the host country must protect an embassy from intrusion or damage.

The guards at the security checkpoint inside the US embassy property were Securitas contractors. I didn't see any US military personnel anywhere in the publicly-accessible areas, though that doesn't mean they weren't somewhere else inside.

Believe me there there in the building ,maybe they playing scwabel ,but they are there
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Some deadly film shooting. Even the USA could learn from them.

If whatever they do is punishable then do drag them to court. Otherwise freedom of speach, among other things, applies.
We are all free to speak. However that freedom depends on what we are saying and to whom we are addressing.

The law may state that one is free to speak up etc but common sence is about not doing it infront of the US embassy in Switzerland.

As for being harrassed or whatever by the Swiss police? I am amazed at how well behaved the Swiss police are. Very tolerant but if you cross the line they quite rightly throw the book at you.
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Just off the news wire:

"Bern Embassy to construct moat
Tue 24 Feb 2015 13:49 am CET
BERN (SND) As a counter-terrorism measure, a US State Department spokesperson said today that construction of a moat on the property of the US Embassy in Bern, Switzerland has been approved. Water will be diverted from the nearby Aare river to fill the moat which will be stocked with river crocodiles. "
The Bern Embassy's "moat and crocodile" counter-terrorism project may be delayed. The State Department's director of counter-terrorism was arrested yesterday in Washington D.C. for soliciting sex with a minor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-minor.html

Just confirms my opinion that the State Department is filled with pedophiles and drunks. To keep your children safe, it is best to avoid State Department and embassy employees.
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To keep your children safe, it is best to avoid State Department and embassy employees.
Unless they're drunk.
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