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Well, the media got some of these right. . .

http://www.timeout.com/switzerland/b...est-swiss-laws

I thought it still was a rule that you had to have a cave/bomb shelter, no?
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Old 20.04.2015, 17:34
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Re: Well, the media got some of these right. . .

Wacky German law:

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StGB § 183 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__183.html
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Old 20.04.2015, 17:45
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I thought it still was a rule that you had to have a cave/bomb shelter, no?
In some Kantons (like Zürich) you are not forced to build a bomb shelter under your newly built house - you can go around by buying a place in the communal shelter which belongs to the city. These are usually located under hospitals or schools.

What is important is that each room (yes, including the living room) in a home has a corresponding shelter place somewhere - either in the basement or under the local school.

Planning those shelters can make someone's week quite miserable because of all the little rules... *grumpy*
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So, up in Zurich, you have to go to the school or hospital to get your wine? How inconvenient!
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So, up in Zurich, you have to go to the school or hospital to get your wine? How inconvenient!
There you will get only Beer and wine, when the shelter host the swiss army troops ;-) But of course we don't provide it for the public. For that we offer swiss cookies and chocolat
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Re: Well, the media got some of these right. . .

we also have a cellar in the basement of our building. big steel door etc.

what i always wonder is how would you get out of it?
imagine, "the bomb" falls, it would be most likely that the building on top is it is ruined.
in case you would survive, you can never get out anymore...
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Caught like a rat in a trap, I would rather take cover in a bottle of whiskey, then bend over as far as possible and kiss my ass goodby.
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Re: Well, the media got some of these right. . .

What gets me at the moment (I have a lot of time) is the difference in reporting, if you look at American websites then Russia/Putin has a finger on the button and a crazed look in his eye, with China egging him on to "push, push push" the reporting is breathless and in full technicolor detail on how we are all gonna die, and from European websites... Zilch!
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US government fearmongering ... same old, same old
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Old 19.05.2015, 14:23
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we also have a cellar in the basement of our building. big steel door etc.

what i always wonder is how would you get out of it?
imagine, "the bomb" falls, it would be most likely that the building on top is it is ruined.

in case you would survive, you can never get out anymore...
Not sure whether you were being serious but your shelter won't protect you from a direct hit - or even one quite some way away.

But it will let you survive the after blast shock waves and the radiation until you run out of food and water (and vintage wine).
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But it will let you survive the after blast shock waves and the radiation until you run out of food and water (and vintage wine).
Don't you want superpowers???
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what i always wonder is how would you get out of it?
imagine, "the bomb" falls, it would be most likely that the building on top is it is ruined.
in case you would survive, you can never get out anymore...

The minimum thickness of the concrete ceiling on one of these things is about 50 cm of highly interwoven steel concrete. It won't survive a direct hit from a heavy bomb, but it will survive if the house above it crumbles. The higher the building, or in the case that the bunker needs to be placed on the side of the house under earth, that thickness increases proportionally.

The door is thick and easily opened - as long as there is nothing blocking behind. If the exit through the door is not possible, there is an emergency exit installed to allow people to crawl out. This is usually planned with a specific security distance that protects it from possible debris from the destruction of the main building. The tunnel is small and sturdy enough, and is placed next to the ventilation system. If the emergency tunnel has been destroyed, the ventilation system was also probably destroyed, making everyone inside the bunker dead anyway.

If you want detailed information about its construction and security, you can look for the TWK 1994 from the Bundesamt für Zivilschutz - Technische Weisungen für die Konstruktion und Bemessung von Schutzbauten.
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Not sure whether you were being serious but your shelter won't protect you from a direct hit - or even one quite some way away.

But it will let you survive the after blast shock waves and the radiation until you run out of food and water (and vintage wine).
I've heard radaition is actually good for vintage wine.

So we need to find a way to store it outside the shelter but in a way that is accessible from inside the shelter.

And another thing, whatever you do, when war breaks out, don't forget the corkscrew.
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The thought of being stuck in the bomb shelter with our old neighbours would be worse than going to the dentist for wisdom teeth extraction. The only positive thought is knowing which one we'd eat first as she is rather on the large side.
My grandad wouldn't go down their shelter (corrugated tin in the back garden) 'cos of spiders. They all went under the kitchen table when the sirens started.
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The thought of being stuck in the bomb shelter with our old neighbours would be
Our old neighbours have the best wine collection....and they'd make a good addition to a group anyway. I'd only hate to be around a certain neighbour(ess) more than 5 minutes a day, but who knows...maybe after a couple of glasses from that expensive wine she could become....human!
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Our old neighbours have the best wine collection....and they'd make a good addition to a group anyway. I'd only hate to be around a certain neighbour(ess) more than 5 minutes a day, but who knows...maybe after a couple of glasses from that expensive wine she could become....human!
would there be a laundry rota in the bomb shelter?
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would there be a laundry rota in the bomb shelter?
Of course! And she'd be ruling us all with a rod of iron. Fortunately, her husband (yes she fooled someone) looks like he's apologising all the time...
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wine in a bombshelter is always good. in case of emergency there is at least hope for a little bit fun
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