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Old 01.06.2015, 05:09
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Re: Ueli Maurer: «Ei wisch ju ewri söxes wis de köngres!»

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Yeah, er, the thing is that Mr Maurer was delivering the speech in his own country, in Switzerland, yet still had the courtesy to deliver it in a foreign language. He'd have been entirely within his rights to speak his own dialect and expect FIFA to provide an interpreter - but he didn't do that.

What his party does or doesn't stand for is irrelevant. I'd like to see you stand in front of a crowd in Maryland, deliver a speech in Mandarin Chinese, then face a barrage of abuse and mockery for the crime of being a bit crap at someone else's language while standing in a conference room in an English speaking country.
In my opinion, it IS relevant. I've seen the political ad campaigns of the SVP on this forum, and I don't like them one bit. His party wants to wall off Switzerland from Europe, except for a few well-to-do tourists or business travelers, like the group from FIFA. It may well be that if Switzerland's sports minister (I'm not sure if this is a federal or cantonal office) was held by a member of another party that they would have the same problems Ueli Maurer did. But if Maurer's problems with English are indirectly the result of the isolationism of his party, I find that any embarrassment he may have suffered to be justly appropriate.
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Old 01.06.2015, 05:46
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In my opinion, it IS relevant. I've seen the political ad campaigns of the SVP on this forum, and I don't like them one bit.

You don't have to like them. You live 4000 miles away.
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Re: Ueli Maurer: «Ei wisch ju ewri söxes wis de köngres!»

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But if Maurer's problems with English are indirectly the result of the isolationism of his party, I find that any embarrassment he may have suffered to be justly appropriate.
Uh, but they aren't so that statement is completely pointless.

His problem with English is that it isn't his native language, which is fair enough given it isn't a Swiss language and was rarely spoken here when he grew up.

I'm a long long way from being an SVP supporter, but bashing the guy when he's doing his job as the Swiss Sports Minister and trying to speak a foreign language isn't really helpful or a good example of encouraging openness!

Hypocrisy in the extreme in my view.
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Re: Ueli Maurer: «Ei wisch ju ewri söxes wis de köngres!»

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sorry, but for as many times as I have been chided in Zürich for my American accent, Ueli's not about to get any sympathy from me.
I agree that no SVP member deserves any sympathies in the politic/public space. But that's not the point.
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Being a public figure, Maurer being SVP could have been made topic of the story. But that's not the case.

The article bashes Mauers accent, nothing else. It doesn't talk about his occasional simply wrong pronounciatons, something indeed unacceptable (see lack of preparation). It doesn't even mention that Maurer is addressing Blatter as "Sepp", by which Maurer is essentially saying "don't worry Sepp, you still have the full and unconditional backing of CH government and the population because the two of us are friends", which in my opionion is an inacceptable insolence after what happened recently.

This cheekiness goes completely uncommented, nor does it talk about other points that woud well be worth criticizing. That makes the article a cheap and detestable piece not worth the time to read.
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Old 01.06.2015, 15:40
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You don't have to like them. You live 4000 miles away.
Thank God! Unfortunately, (as Wolli will be sure to remind me) I have to live with the SVP's "cousins" right here in America.

Speaking of which, I might as well actually see the video. It might be fashionable for Germans (or even German-speaking Swiss) to criticize public figures unable to speak English correctly, but it might not be so bad from the point of view of a native English speaker.
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Old 01.06.2015, 15:50
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Re: Ueli Maurer: «Ei wisch ju ewri söxes wis de köngres!»

I'm sorry...I owe Maurer an apology. Because I don't like his political party, I said he deserved whatever criticism he got. However, I didn't see the video...and my reaction? Huh???

His English is EXCELLENT!!!!! Yes, he has a Swiss accent, but I can understand every thing he says. Does 20 Minutes expect every public speaker making an address in English to sound as if they were born in London or New York? To me, he doesn't sound like the Swiss equivalent of Inspector Clouseau, which is what I was expecting.

Anybody in Switzerland who has been hectored for speaking the local language or dialect less than perfectly are entitled to criticize this guy. I haven't, and at least on THIS issue, Ueli Maurer has done nothing wrong.

Most U.S. officials would not be able to read German as well as this guy reads English. Enough said.
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Re: Ueli Maurer: «Ei wisch ju ewri söxes wis de köngres!»

Honestly, I don't see what the fuss is all about. Herr Mauer's English isn't perfect, but the speech is perfectly understandable.

One of the great strengths of the English language is it's flexibility. Because there is such a wide range of accents among native speakers we really don't blink when we hear a wide range of accents among non-native speakers. And we Americans are just thankful when we hear English abroad, no matter what the accent.

(And that perhaps is one of my problems with German. Because I am used to a more flexible approach to English accents I have not worked as hard as I should on my standard German pronunciation.)

But really - I've heard worse English from Swiss university professors.
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Because there is such a wide range of accents among native speakers we really don't blink when we hear a wide range of accents among non-native speakers. And we Americans are just thankful when we hear English abroad, no matter what the accent.
Really?

During my first stay in Michigan many moons ago, I met one of the most outstanding trad sailing experts in the USA. I told him, "I own a classic gaff cutter in the Aegean Sea." He asked, "What?" "A gaff cutter." "What's that?" "A sailboat with one mast, a gaff mainsail and at least two headsails on a removable jib boom." "Aaaahhh, you mean a cudder?"

The difference of the pronunciation of one simple phoneme can separate two world in the Midwest.
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Really?
Perhaps my particular subset of Chicagoans - having had the 'dees, dems, dose, 'n youse guys' beaten out of us by the good nuns - now tend towards a greater degree of tolerance. Glass houses, and all that.



Leaving the Chicago lakefront it's a cutter. But with the sun in your face and the wind in your sails, once past St Joe... it's a cudder.
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Leaving the Chicago lakefront it's a cutter. But with the sun in your face and the wind in your sails, once past St Joe... it's a cudder.
in Detroit, there would be no difference - they are both cu-errs. double consonants are silent, except for r's and l's.

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in Detroit, there would be no difference - they are both cu-errs. double consonants are silent, except for r's and l's.

In Detroi' you mean? They aren't even consonants. They are cahnsinehs.
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Reminds me of the PENSIONE FIORDELLI in Pietrasanta. We in Family only got some but not all the cutlery. Mum tried to tell BIG Brother to ask for what we needed but BIG Brothers refused as usual to speak AUSLAENDISCH and so the Task got to me. I after Mission Completed stated that I had used all the letters but possibly not in the correct order. First the cutlery arrived and then the chief cook who confirmed that what Counts is that you have the Courage to use whatever yôu CAN. I was Age 7 then
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Yeah, er, the thing is that Mr Maurer was delivering the speech in his own country, in Switzerland, yet still had the courtesy to deliver it in a foreign language. He'd have been entirely within his rights to speak his own dialect and expect FIFA to provide an interpreter - but he didn't do that.

What his party does or doesn't stand for is irrelevant. I'd like to see you stand in front of a crowd in Maryland, deliver a speech in Mandarin Chinese, then face a barrage of abuse and mockery for the crime of being a bit crap at someone else's language while standing in a conference room in an English speaking country.

He SHOULD have done so. King Abdullah I used his grandson, the later King Hussein bin Talal,. to act as Interpreter, in spite of the fact that his English was ways better than the one of his grandson.. In court for example you are FORCED to work with an Interpreter unless you are really good in the language in question
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He SHOULD have done so. King Abdullah I used his grandson, the later King Hussein bin Talal,. to act as Interpreter, in spite of the fact that his English was ways better than the one of his grandson.. In court for example you are FORCED to work with an Interpreter unless you are really good in the language in question
Well, it wasn't a courtroom---he was introducing visitors from FIFA to Switzerland. It's possible that his English isn't as good as it sounds and he would have had trouble answering questions from the audience in English. But Ueli Maurer didn't have to do that---all he had to do was give a short address in English, be understood, and not sound ridiculous. In my opinion, he achieved all three tasks.
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