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For quite some time Swiss has been promoting affordable airfares that compare favourably with airlines such as easyjet, which have lured customers away from established airlines by promising low cost air travel. Now according to an article in 20 Minuten, Swiss is increasing its airfares.
http://lenews.ch/2015/08/06/swiss-to-hike-its-airfares/
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

As the article says, they'll have a hard time explaining this with Brent dropping to $50 a barrel. Ohwell, there's plenty of airlines to choose from.
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Old 06.08.2015, 10:56
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

I don't think Easyjet is attracting passengers on low fares alone. maybe that was their initial concept but the likes of Ryanair have since cornered that market. Easyjet is succesful because the overall feeling of value for money is OK. A "Swiss" Gipfeli in a plastic warapper and a miniature bar of chocolate do not make a world class breakfast, even if it's "free". On Easyjet I can buy enough wholesome (well, as wholesome as anything on a plane can be) stuff to feel well fed and still get change out of a fiver. I don't understand why Swiss hasn't understood this. I once mentioned it to them and they told me, I can bring my own food if I want. But that's not really the point, is it?
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As the article says, they'll have a hard time explaining this with Brent dropping to $50 a barrel. Ohwell, there's plenty of airlines to choose from.

Exactly, normally I go with swiss for the convenience of a direct flight from ZRH to JNB and just did the whole costing exercise yesterday, and today its gone up just over Chf 100 (Cheapest E class seat)


Checked with Lufthansa and ZRH-FRA-JNB works out 300 Chf cheaper with Lufthansa and the main flight is on the 380, much better than Swiss A340 imo
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Old 06.08.2015, 11:36
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

I wish Squeezyjet would offer some more routes out of Zürich and put up some competition to Swiss. It's all well and good flying Swiss to London as there's plenty of competition on that route. If you want to fly Zürich to Birmingham or Manchester over a weekend then a single ticket is likely to set you back 500 bucks now.

Two passangers could fly easyjet with checkin luggage, drive to Basel, park and still be well under the price of a single ticket out of Zürich.
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

Swiss introduced carry-on baggage only fare few months ago and now Lufthansa also announced the same here. Funny thing is that these carry-on baggage fare are almost equal to the last year regular fare(with check-in baggage). Another way to rip off customer despite fuel prices are at bottom level.
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I wish Squeezyjet would offer some more routes out of Zürich and put up some competition to Swiss. It's all well and good flying Swiss to London as there's plenty of competition on that route. If you want to fly Zürich to Birmingham or Manchester over a weekend then a single ticket is likely to set you back 500 bucks now.

Two passangers could fly easyjet with checkin luggage, drive to Basel, park and still be well under the price of a single ticket out of Zürich.
I mostly fly from Basel these days anyway.

Having a GA makes the decision easier.
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

hi,

Swiss don't fly from Basel and so it is not a first choice airline for me, it is a pain in the arse having to fly from Zurich.

Nowadays there is very little difference between the service on a low cost airline and an airline like Swiss.

Swiss were already a very expensive choice.

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Old 06.08.2015, 12:29
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I mostly fly from Basel these days anyway.

Having a GA makes the decision easier.

GA and Basel are not so compatible as ZRH or GVA though, got to take a bus whereas the other two you arrive direclty in airport.
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I don't think Easyjet is attracting passengers on low fares alone. maybe that was their initial concept but the likes of Ryanair have since cornered that market. Easyjet is succesful because the overall feeling of value for money is OK. A "Swiss" Gipfeli in a plastic warapper and a miniature bar of chocolate do not make a world class breakfast, even if it's "free". On Easyjet I can buy enough wholesome (well, as wholesome as anything on a plane can be) stuff to feel well fed and still get change out of a fiver. I don't understand why Swiss hasn't understood this. I once mentioned it to them and they told me, I can bring my own food if I want. But that's not really the point, is it?
I agree with that assessment but I don't think it's going to make much of an impact, to be honest. As mentioned above, Easyjet only really competes on the ZRH > London route, and even on that route, a number of people will continue to fly Swiss because:

1. More convenient timetables
2. Airport choice - Having an LCY option and not needing to use LTN...

And for business travels or frequent commuters with status who make up a lot of the overall revenue:

3. Priority security makes a massive difference
4. Food and drink in the lounge = sleep on the plane

Last minute, the prices are often similar between Swiss and Easyjet. But even with advanced booking, the four things above are worth the difference for a lot of people - it's like paying a much smaller premium for "business class lite". To me it's something more over-arching: it makes flying less something to be endured and something to be enjoyed. But if I lose my status, I might change my mind.
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Old 06.08.2015, 12:45
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GA and Basel are not so compatible as ZRH or GVA though, got to take a bus whereas the other two you arrive direclty in airport.
I don't mind the bus. The bigger issue is that the earliest morning train + bus combination from Zürich still gets in too late for many of the early flights.
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As the article says, they'll have a hard time explaining this with Brent dropping to $50 a barrel. Ohwell, there's plenty of airlines to choose from.
Especially with other Swiss prices falling as well

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The Swiss consumer price index fell by 0.6% in July 2015 and the index is now 1.3% lower than in July 2014 and at its lowest level since October 2007.
http://lenews.ch/2015/08/06/swiss-pr...-fall-in-july/

Just checked the cheapest fare I can see on Swiss from Heathrow to Geneva. It has risen from £80 to £108 return since last month
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I agree with that assessment but I don't think it's going to make much of an impact, to be honest. As mentioned above, Easyjet only really competes on the ZRH > London route, and even on that route, a number of people will continue to fly Swiss because:

1. More convenient timetables
2. Airport choice - Having an LCY option and not needing to use LTN...
LCY is not really that convenient unless you specifically need to go to central London. I dislike Luton, but Gatwick is an ideal compromise in many respects, not least because of the large choice of places you can catch direct trains to. I've also felt there's something magical in catching the Gatwick Express especially as it snakes its way past Battersea Power Station and you then see the London skyline while crossing the Thames into Victoria. No other airport train really does that for me.

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And for business travels or frequent commuters with status who make up a lot of the overall revenue:

3. Priority security makes a massive difference
4. Food and drink in the lounge = sleep on the plane

Last minute, the prices are often similar between Swiss and Easyjet. But even with advanced booking, the four things above are worth the difference for a lot of people - it's like paying a much smaller premium for "business class lite". To me it's something more over-arching: it makes flying less something to be endured and something to be enjoyed. But if I lose my status, I might change my mind.
If you have Easyjet Speedy Boarding they also let you through priority security. I don't normally arrive sufficiently early to have time to check out any lounges. For me the whole point of priority boarding is to be able to arrive scandalously late and jump all the queues. I don't really see why people would want to pay more just to wait longer.
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Only problem with LCY is you always run the risk of the plane diverting back to ZRH and then having to go on the next LHR flight or a diversion to STN.
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

I vowed the other day never to fly Easyjet.
My sister and family were flying from Geneva to Manchester last Sunday, and their flight was cancelled at the last minute. They were then booked onto a later flight, which was also cancelled. The earliest flight which Easyjet could give the was Wednesday!!
Thankfully they managed to find flights on Monday with Brussels airline, changing at Brussels on Monday. All they have to do now is try and get their money back from Sleazy jet.
So now what? Swiss or Easyjet? Or another airline which means having to transfer and take all day to get to Manchester?
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

Last month, I was checking prices, and in the end went with Easyjet again.

ZRH - Amsterdam - return - Fr 800 for family of 4 over Christmas and New Year
Basel - Amsterdam - Gatwick - Zurich - Fr 500 for same period!
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I don't really see why people would want to pay more just to wait longer.
Connecting flights with more than 1h wait in between are much more bearable with lounge access.
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

We flew Easyjet from Basel to Manchester recently as it was a lot cheaper than Swiss from Zurich. We already have a GA so the train / bus to Basel airport was not an additional expense.

Plus even if you bought a drink / meal on EJ it still was cheaper than Swiss plus we got a great cup of proper British tea instead of the sawdust they serve on Swiss. I also found the EJ cabin staff extremely friendly compared to the po-faced individuals who serve on Swiss.

The only downside was having to travel to and from Basel which adds a couple of hours to the door-to-door journey plus the fact that you are more on your own if an EJ flight is cancelled.

I agree that the carry-on only price introduced by Swiss is basically a way of upping the price through the back door. Budget airline service for premium airline prices just because they have a monopoly on many routes out of Zurich.

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Connecting flights with more than 1h wait in between are much more bearable with lounge access.
But Easyjet doesn't do connecting flights. It does direct flights and if it doesn't, it doesn't even pretend to be in that market.

So suppose you are on a flight where Easyjet is a viable alternative, you are comparing a direct flight to one where Swiss is wining and dining you at a hub airport for one hour plus.

To me it seems clear that in such a scenario Easyjet is the preferred option.
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Re: Swiss airline prices to rise

I've just booked Swiss ZH to Amsterdam for a long weekend, only 119.00 chufs return Friday to Monday in November with carry on bag only which I think is pretty cheap. But for the first time I've noticed the extra cost for hold luggage, 19.00 per leg. I don't think that's too bad if it means that carry on fairs are as cheap as I just got. (I opted for a case on the return for my shopping )

But also I noticed for the first time they are charging extra to pay by CC. Have they always done that? 11.00 chufs for 138.00 fair seems really high. So I paid by Post card which is still free.

Even with a price rise, I will still fly as much as possible with them for the convenience and reliability.
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