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Well I did partly address this at 10.08, post 12:

Well, a few posts above have put the finger on it- very few people do it that way round, for obvious reasons- as taxes are higher here. If you live in, say, Marin in the East of the Canton, or Gorgier in the West, rents are as high as beyond the Cantonal border, so might as well live the other side. And if you live where I live, or in Le Locle/La Chaux-de-Fonds- where high taxes are really offset and more by much lower rents, commuting to Biel or Lausanne- does not make sense either.

However- yes, where I live, there are quite a few (not sure I ever used 'a lot') who have decided to come and live here, despite working in Geneva or Bern- because they could buy a wonderful large family home for under 500.000 or rent a massive flat with a garden suitable for lots of children and animals for a fraction of what they would be elsewhere, be surrounded by great countryside for all year round sport, no fog and have good schools and small classes for their kids, etc, etc. But overall as a % of the Canton in general, it is a tiny number- even if it is fairly significant here. One guy from Geneva keeps a tiny studio for himself for when he has meetings or has to work late- his family lives here and he comes for long week-ends. As far as tax % for the Canton as a whole, it is insignificant compared to t'other way round.

Here is the first part of the article, I am sure you can Google the rest if you wish:

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neuchâtel lundi 10 mars 2014
Jean-Nat Karakash, redresseur social

Serge Jubin
Jean-Nat Karakash. (veroniquebotteron.com)

Le ministre socialiste de 34 ans entend relever le défi de réduire de moitié la progression inquiétante du coût de l’aide sociale dans son canton. En investissant dans la réinsertion
Demandez à cet ingénieur EPFL en informatique de 34 ans, politicien professionnel depuis dix ans, comment il vit sa première année de conseiller d’Etat neuchâtelois, il vous renvoie un grand éclat de rire. Un rire sonore en guise de préambule à bien des réponses. Puis vient un argumentaire construit, solide, mêlant pragmatisme et vision stratégique.
Il a beau être le benjamin du gouvernement, le socialiste Jean-Nat Karakash, 35 ans en mai prochain, est de la trempe des grands, «brillant et intelligent», entend-on à son sujet. Elu en mai 2013, juste derrière le «sortant» Laurent Kurth, le ressortissant de Val-de-Travers a d’emblée imprimé sa patte au département sur mesure qui lui a été confié, l’Economie et l’action sociale. Canton connaissant une dynamique économique importante, Neuchâtel se distingue paradoxalement aussi par ses taux record de chômage et d’aide sociale. Près de 7% des Neuchâtelois ont recours aux prestations publiques et le phénomène progresse de 10% par an. Le nombre de bénéficiaires des prestations sociales a doublé depuis 2007, de 6000 à 12 000 personnes.
Alors, avec le Conseil d’Etat à majorité de gauche, le socialiste Jean-Nat Karakash a décidé de raboter dans les prestations servies. De 15% pour les adultes de moins de 35 ans sans charge de famille; et des suppléments ont aussi été supprimés aux familles. La mesure entre en vigueur ce mois.
Le sourire initial passé, Jean-Nat Karakash rétorque avec fermeté et pédagogie. «La première décision prise a consisté à consacrer des moyens supplémentaires à l’intégration professionnelle et à favoriser la reconnaissance du travail. Le revenu disponible d’un travailleur doit être supérieur à celui d’une personne à l’aide sociale. Pour lutter contre les effets de seuil, nous avons augmenté les subsides à l’assurance maladie. Nous avons donc commencé par injecter des moyens. Malheureusement, la situation financière neuchâteloise étant ce qu’elle est, couplée à l’augmentation du nombre de bénéficiaires de l’aide sociale, nous avons été contraints de trouver des ressources. Les rentrées supplémentaires liées à la réforme de l’impôt des personnes morales en sont une, mais nous avons également été amenés à revoir certaines prestations.» La démonstration est convaincante.
There are lots of people here who work in Bern. Their primary reason for doing so though is the language as they are French speaking and want their children to go to French speaking schools. The difference in tax rate and rents between here and the other side of the Roschtigraben is actually minimal so it makes no difference in practical terms.
I suspect the majority of cantonal 'frontaliers' who work in Neuchâtel probably live in either Fribourg or Vaud where the differences are more noticeable.

Am I missing something or us that article dated 10 March 2014? If so how have things evolved in the 17 months since then?
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insertion professionnelle mercredi 19 août 2015
Le «new deal» neuchâtelois pour lutter contre le chômage

Serge Jubin
Le ministre socialiste neuchâtelois Jean-Nat Karakash préconise une stratégie très construite contre le chômage et l’explosion de l’aide sociale. (Keystone)

Paradoxe: depuis 2009, le canton de Neuchâtel a vu le nombre de ses emplois augmenter de plus de 10%, mais le chômage reste à un taux élevé. La faute à l’inadéquation entre les postes ouverts et les compétences des sans-emploi. Jean-Nat Karakash entend révolutionner la réinsertion professionnelle
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Le paradoxe neuchâtelois. Un phénomène sans précédent et sans équivalent en Suisse. Depuis 2009, il y a à Neuchâtel décorrélation entre la création d’emplois et le chômage. En six ans, l’économie a créé 8700 emplois (+10,2%), mais le taux de chômage, qui avait atteint le pic historique de 7,2% à la suite de la crise des «subprime», a peu décru, pour s’établir à 5,2%, parmi les plus élevés de Suisse. Dans le même temps, le taux de personnes à l’aide sociale s’est accru à plus de 7%.
Tel est le paradoxe neuchâtelois, «grave, inquiétant, aux causes multiples, avec de forts impacts», dit le ministre de l’Economie et de l’action sociale, Jean-Nat Karakash, qui a décidé, en entrant au gouvernement au printemps 2013, de s’y attaquer frontalement.
Il livre un rapport fouillé qui analyse le phénomène et propose une stratégie pour en sortir. Parce que les impacts négatifs sociaux, économiques, politiques et financiers sont forts, parce que l’image du canton est ternie, le magistrat socialiste a inventorié et décortiqué les multiples causes qui aboutissent à ce qu’il estime être un «ressort cassé». Pêle-mêle, il est question de concurrence à 360 degrés à l’embauche, avec une main-d’œuvre qualifiée et à profusion dans le voisinage du canton. Ainsi, 21 300 des 94 100 emplois recensés dans le canton sont occupés par des pendulaires, moitié de frontaliers et moitié de résidents suisses non neuchâtelois. A mettre en rapport avec les quelque 4500 chômeurs neuchâtelois. Jean-Nat Karakash s’empresse d’ajouter que «contrairement aux idées reçues, les études menées ont démontré l’absence de sous-enchère salariale généralisée».
Le problème majeur à Neuchâtel, c’est l’inadéquation entre les postes ouverts et les compétences – et surtout le manque de compétences – des gens qui cherchent un emploi. Ainsi, un demandeur d’emploi neuchâtelois sur deux ne dispose d’aucune formation post-obligatoire. Ajoutez-y les problèmes politiques de 2008 à 2013 à la tête du Département de l’économie, le manque d’anticipation de l’évolution des métiers, la faible dynamique démographique du canton et les effets des révisions législatives fédérales, et on comprend un peu mieux le désarroi neuchâtelois.
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A allwn gael cyfieithiad Saesneg os gwelwch yn dda?
Can we have the English translation please?

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A allwn gael cyfieithiad Saesneg os gwelwch yn dda?
I did do a résumé for EF- but that was not good enough for Porsche - never knew his French was that good, but hey ho
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I did do a résumé for EF- but that was not good enough for Porsche - never knew his French was that good, but hey ho
It's probably a lot better than your English so we are fine.
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I did do a résumé for EF- but that was not good enough for Porsche - never knew his French was that good, but hey ho
The ideal thing to do in these situations is to post the original article (or a link to it) for those people ( like me for example) who can read French ( or German or Itskian etc) and prefer to read the whole thing plus a résumé/translation for the non French ( German, Italian) speakers in order to comply with EF rules.

It annoys me when people post huge walls of text in German without translations on here even though I can usually understand it so I imagine the non French speakers must feel the same way about French text.
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Sure Porsche - you can be hilarious at times.

Good job you've got a PA- translator - as you certainly did need one here constantly, as I can remember. I was one in the UK, so never needed one myself

I gave the date, newspaper and name of the guy + a short résumé in English - surely you could find the article yourself- without a PA even.
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Sure Porsche - you can be hilarious at times.

Good job you've got a PA- translator - as you certainly did need one here constantly, as I can remember. I was one in the UK, so never needed one myself

I gave the date, newspaper and name of the guy + a short résumé in English - surely you could find the article yourself- without a PA even.
You cut me deep Odile.

I'm sorry I asked for your help all those years ago to make a hospital appointment for my wife when she had burns from an accident. I didn't think it would be thrown back in my face several years later when I had the ability to make phone calls in French myself

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You cut me deep Odile.

I'm sorry I asked for your help all those years ago to make a hospital appointment for my wife when she had burns from an accident. I didn't think it would be thrown back in my face several years later when I had the ability to do it myself
Wife had to be punished because she cheated on you?
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No no- talking about your current PA who held your hand those past couple of years in all practical situations and still seems to do now.

Those events were a long time ago, and I would never ever mention them myself, that is for sure. Why do you make comments about my English- knowing full well your French is barely passable. It's daft (and not surprising as I lived in the UK all my adult life and taught languages, yes, including English.
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No no- talking about your current PA who held your hand those past couple of years- those events were a long time ago, and would never mention them, for sure!
I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never had a PA and never had my hand held.

I've had help from many people in Switzerland and been thankful to them all and would like to think I've helped many people during my time in Switzerland also. It's a shame you had to bring up the help you gave me all those years ago and to make this personal when all I wanted was a link to the article you summarised in the first post so I could have all the facts from it.

Neuchatel is a place I will always be very fond of after spending so long there so I'm always interested in the ongoings there. I'm sorry if me asking about more details of what the chancellor was saying and proposing has offended you to the extent of making this personal and bringing my wife into it.

Edit: Sorry replying to your edit now. You have no idea of my French ability....but you're the one who decided to insult my foreign language abilities.
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Oh dear oh dear- tragic. Leave you to it- this is too sad. And more red blobs from you... thanks.
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How old are you guys?

Nobody told me that a mod's job was to intervene between five-year-olds squabbling.

But if I must - stop now. WE DON'T CARE who's right or wrong, or even if there is a right or a wrong.

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I thought that the language of English Forum was supposed to be English.
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