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Re: Canton ZH spends almost 3 millions on suicide prevention

Yes, I agree with glowjupiter, that it is too little known that Exit tries to show alternatives to dying.

I heard of a woman who had a huge problem raising her children alone, was exhausted, angry and frustrated, and therefore, no matter how hard she tried not to, she repeatedly hit her small children. She felt a failure, wanted her children to have a better deal, and thought that she was such a bad mother that it would be better for her children if she were dead. When she went to Exit to ask for help dying, however, they connected her to the 24-hour helpline for desperate parents (Elternnotruf 0848 35 45 55) and that service helped her to find support for her children, and effective psychological and social help, so that she become a better parent.

I am all in favour of helplines, telephone services such as the Samaritans, and even though the Helping Hand telephone 143 is staffed by volunteers, often with only a minimum of psychology training, they still do manage to help at least some of the people. Indeed, and a friend of mine was truly “kept alive” by repeatedly phoning 143 for over a year, until he eventually managed to find professional help from a psychiatrist who truly listened to him.

Surely, suicidal ideation doesn’t just happen upon someone one bright morning as they get out of bed. Something must have developed beforehand. And probably the suicidal person either doesn’t know there are some kinds of help to be had, or they have already tried various avenues of help which didn’t, in fact, help. Those may may not include going to therapy. Maybe that’s not even on their radar, or they no longer have the energy to try, or they’re disillusioned from bad experiences with ineffective therapy and calls to help-lines, etc. or with harsh people around them.

Probably, all kinds of suicide prevention, whether barriers, signs, hotlines, alert strangers, kind friends, attentive professionals, are effective in helping some of the people some of the time. It’s a network of measures.

I wish that our socio-medical care system provided case management for more creative solutions to real-life problems. It is sad that sometimes a person actually really knows what he or she needs to feel better, to make life liveable, and yet the potential solution they can see remains unattainable due to lack of funding. Instead, the finances are made available for only some few kinds of resources, (e.g. a psychiatric clinic) which are regarded as officially legitimate. While clinics may, indeed, help some people, others could probably be far more usefully helped by, for example, access to a reliable a cleaner or a babysitter, a psychiatric nurse coming into the home a few times a week (“Spitex”), coaching or education to find a job or some other satisfying activity, a better budget, improved nutrition, a cook, a clean and stable home, mediation in dealing with the neighbours or with the authorities, a club, assistance to get outdoors and to do sport, workable mobility, a sense of belonging, and in many cases such interventions would cost – even over long periods of time – a fraction of the costs of repeated clinic stays.

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Re: Canton ZH spends almost 3 millions on suicide prevention

For some, the most caring people, the most available help lines and all the fences in the world wont help. Sadly.
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For some, the most caring people, the most available help lines and all the fences in the world wont help. Sadly.

That neighbour (worsening epylepsia, shizophrenia) and later on a schoolfriend (the man was incurably paralysed) of my brother left well thought out explanation letters ---- all and everybody understood them


in case of that pupil in our schoolhouse all our teachers talked with us in full as it was School Problems which lead to the end
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Re: Canton ZH spends almost 3 millions on suicide prevention

Yes, Wolli, we had a comparable situation way back in our youth group, and then an elderly man - bless him! - took great care to speak to all the young people about what the "sui" in suicide meant, about the very wide range of various motivations in taking the decision, about who was and was not to blame, and about what could be changed for and by the living to make life more liveable.
In doing so, I think he effectively prevented a few other similar (so called copy-cat) deaths.
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It is a nature reserve, there is no fence! and hopefully never will be. There are at least 10 entry places. Can we put a fence on all the alps too, and all along the railway lines, the motorways, the lakes?

Counselling is the way- not fences. There will always be a gap- and here people could just drive over the border and go to the Mt d'Or or umpteen other cliffs.
Odile, I assume that you are tired.

My message was in line with the original post. If they are putting up fences anyway at particular places, attaching a signpost to the fences that are already planned with associated help numbers is no big extra effort.

I am not suggesting that the entirety of Swiss mountains be fenced off as per the HSE in the UK might wish to do.
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Re: Canton ZH spends almost 3 millions on suicide prevention

Does anyone here have detail of support organisations in the Zurich area?
Not linked to Church/es/religious organisations?
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Does anyone here have detail of support organisations in the Zurich area?
Not linked to Church/es/religious organisations?
A national group with a Zurich branch

A Zurich group

A group for those who mourn their children

Links from the new website I linked to in post #1 of this thread, for adults and children

Link to cantonal and federal sources

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Re: Canton ZH spends almost 3 millions on suicide prevention

Sometimes it's not that people do not care, but they feel totally helpless, don't know what to say, and worse, fear they will make things worse, rather than help.

Sometimes because they have tried several times before to help- and failed- and it has left them very shaken and worse.

Thanks for the list- good to know there are people out there who can help, and hopefully have some counselling training to do so.
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