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Re: Switzerland falls behind in English skills...

Maybe Switzerland falls behind in English skills but certainly not in language skills. Most children learn two languages beside having to perfect their Kanton's or region's mothertongue.
A friend of mine has a niece who spent three years going to university to learn (only) French. Works in a shop now in Bournemouth.
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Old 03.11.2015, 23:26
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Maybe Switzerland falls behind in English skills but certainly not in language skills. Most children learn two languages beside having to perfect their Kanton's or region's mothertongue.
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Very true and I always envy them, including my husband for mastering more than one language.
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Old 03.11.2015, 23:34
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Absolutely true. English is like chess: the standard moves are easy to learn, but it's the ability to master the game that makes a player proficient.

EDIT: squirrel being the exception
Especially for native Italian speakers, I only know a couple who can say it correctly, or even close.

My sister came up with this one for my wife on her first trip to the US:

"Earl the squirrel is a girl who twirls her pearls, "

You really will be shocked how this comes out.

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Old 03.11.2015, 23:36
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Especially for native Italian speakers, I only know a couple who can say it correctly, or even close.

My sister came up with this one for my wife on her first trip to the US:

"Earl the squirrel is a girl who twirls her pearls, "

You really will be shocked how this comes out.

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Any audio?
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Old 03.11.2015, 23:37
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I think more Swiss people speak English than let on or admit to it. You always get this "a little bit" thing from them. I guess it's the fear of making a mistake or saying something wrong that is ingrained in them from little on.
With that said, there's no shortage of people happy to "practice" English or listen to a native English speaker speak.
Not that I've met.

French has always worked best for me, anywhere in CH.

And I speak all four Swiss languages (OK, my Rumantsch is crap, but at least I studied it for half a year)

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Any audio?
I could ask around work tomorrow, and record the results.

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My sister came up with this one for my wife on her first trip to the US:

"Earl the squirrel is a girl who twirls her pearls, "
Try French...
reul ze scoureul iz eu geurl ou twrle eur perles.

German...

rl se skwerrel is grl hu twrls hr prls.

Come on, give the Italian version
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Try French...
reul ze scoureul iz eu geurl ou twrle eur perles.

German...

rl se skwerrel is grl hu twrls hr prls.

Come on, give the Italian version


You need to do a version for all Schwizerdtsch dialects
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Old 03.11.2015, 23:53
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Come on, give the Italian version
Basically, they leave out the 'r's, they can't do 'r' followed by 'l'.

The can do 'r', they can do 'l', but not anywhere near each other.

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Basically, they leave out the 'r's, they can't do 'r' followed by 'l'.

Tom
So it's something like h the scw is a g hu h h p?

(sorry, can't think of how to write the "er" sound without an "r" at the end)
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So it's something like h the scw is a g hu h h p?

(sorry, can't think of how to write the "er" sound without an "r" at the end)
No, they do the 'l' part, just no 'r'.

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No, they do the 'l' part, just no 'r'.

Tom
Ah. So l the squl is a gl who twl her pl. Got it...I guess.

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There are some errors which occur with non-natives as well as with natives, which pop up all over the place (online and offline).

I'll never understand why natives can't grasp the following issue:

You're/they're/we're = you are/they are/we are
"Your" and "Their" indicate possession

There = not here
Were = not "we are"

"You are" and "They are" and "We are" do not indicate possession!

"You're green bottle" doesn't make sense if you're referring to a person, unless you want to say that that person IS a bottle. Even if so, you'd have to include an "a" in front of the word "green" for the sentence to be grammatically correct.
"Your a football player" doesn't make sense either. My a?
"There my bottles". Where my bottles?
"Their my bottles". Whose bottles are we talking about, yours or theirs?
"Were eating dinner". So dinner's over rather than happening right now...




Not forgetting the used and abused apostrophe... in my home town there is still a sign in a local chippy advertising "Chip's Cob's". *shudder*
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Not forgetting the used and abused apostrophe... in my home town there is still a sign in a local chippy advertising "Chip's Cob's". *shudder*
You might like this website - I always wonder if people think that's how "translating" English to German actually works.

And this one on apostrophes
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You might like this website - I always wonder if people think that's how "translating" English to German actually works.

And this one on apostrophes


The apostrophe one made me laugh (and weep just a little...). The other one (if my German is up to it) is a tad worrying! I think that's probably how many people think translating works! I remember a colleague of mine (MFL teacher) bemoaning the rise of Google Translate. His students didn't think they needed to use their skills - just shove it through the site. He got some brilliantly odd homework back.
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How we do in in Pittsburgh - skwearl.

But I think in the south, they add syllables.
Must be to make them bigger. They eat them.
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Earl the squirrel
Cyril the squirrel, surely?
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Old 04.11.2015, 11:24
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Cyril the squirrel, surely?
No, no problem with saying Cyril, as the r is separate from the l, it's the rl that's the problem.

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How we do in in Pittsburgh - skwearl.

But I think in the south, they add syllables.
They do in much of the UK too. Typical such syllables being "f#cking".
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Ah. So l the squl is a gl who twl her pl. Got it...I guess.
I've seen a gl doing the twl around the pl once. It was at the strp clb.
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