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(OK, my Rumantsch is crap, but at least I studied it for half a year)
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Of course, we genuine British usually prefer to say, 'six months'.

Another Swiss habit (mentioned in today's newspaper ((Swiss))) is the habit of using English words for the 'wrong object'. Handy and beamer being the first that come to mind. And try telling a Swiss that they are indeed English words but that is NOT WHAT THEY MEAN IN GENUINE ENGLISCH ENGLISH.
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Of course, we genuine British usually prefer to say, 'six months'.

Another Swiss habit (mentioned in today's newspaper ((Swiss))) is the habit of using English words for the 'wrong object'. Handy and beamer being the first that come to mind. And try telling a Swiss that they are indeed English words but that is NOT WHAT THEY MEAN IN GENUINE ENGLISCH ENGLISH.

This get to me as well. Always makes me feel if the 'Swiss' kids on the playground, they would be picked on non-stop :P

It's partly the misuse of words to my NA English ears (yes, some British English words irritate me as well), but more the strong Swiss accent they put on the words, as to boldly claim them as their own!
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Try French...
Èreul ze scouèreul iz eu geurl ou twèrle eur perles.
Lol. Vadois will look even more interesting.

IPA falls very short in our accent fun here.

[fünə] en vadois?
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I certainly don't think that CH is that "bad", and for sure much better than other countries which are ranked higher on the list, but since I am not a native speaker I cannot really judge, but what do you english natives speakers of EF think? Is the list more or less correct?

WORLD RANKING
01 Sweden
02 Netherlands
03 Denmark
04 Norway
05 Finland
06 Slovenia
07 Estonia
08 Luxembourg
09 Poland
10 Austria
11 Germany
12 Singapore
13 Portugal
14 Malaysia
15 Argentina
16 Romania
17 Belgium
18 Czech Republic
19 Switzerland
20 India

http://www.thelocal.ch/20151103/swit...h-skills-study
No way that, on average, Portuguese or Argentinian have better English skills than Czechs or Swiss. Looks like EF wants to promote its courses in CH.
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Why would one make a blanket statement on Portuguese English skills?

I teach Portuguese who were schooled back home. Their English is very good, not only due private schools and often being instructed in En. Blanket statements irk me. What is "on average", btw? A train conductor in Porto?
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Of course, we genuine British usually prefer to say, 'six months'.

Another Swiss habit (mentioned in today's newspaper ((Swiss))) is the habit of using English words for the 'wrong object'. Handy and beamer being the first that come to mind. And try telling a Swiss that they are indeed English words but that is NOT WHAT THEY MEAN IN GENUINE ENGLISCH ENGLISH.
It's quite normal that when words are loaned from one language to another that their meaning shifts.

There are plenty of words in the English language that don't mean the same as they meant in their language of origin before we borrowed them.

Think abouts words such as spiel or chef or entrepreneur for example
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Re: Switzerland falls behind in English skills...

One that gets me is when newspapers write "Die Polizei wurde alarmiert"

Wouldn't it have sufficed to inform them? Did you really have to alarm them?

But then we only have ourselves to blame with such signs as "this door is alarmed". Somebody needs to call the door psychologist or play some soothing door music.
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One that gets me is when newspapers write "Die Polizei wurde alarmiert"

Wouldn't it have sufficed to inform them? Did you really have to alarm them?

But then we only have ourselves to blame with such signs as "this door is alarmed". Somebody needs to call the door psychologist or play some soothing door music.

heheheh reminds me of an OT joke for our amusement

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One that gets me is when newspapers write "Die Polizei wurde alarmiert"

Wouldn't it have sufficed to inform them? Did you really have to alarm them?

But then we only have ourselves to blame with such signs as "this door is alarmed". Somebody needs to call the door psychologist or play some soothing door music.
Mais oui, that's funny. Euphemisms and exaggerations are actually piled on top of loans (esp in medias), to fish out the percentage of each shift in semantic scope is always interesting. I used to dislike corpus linguistics for its dull and mechanical positivism, but cut it huge slack now, stats on shifts and frequency are great.

Soothing door music, that would probably be muzzak. How come it hasn't loaned itself here yet.
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I've never met an American yet who could pronounce squirrel properly.

How on earth can you make a monosyllabic word out of that?!
Never mind squirrel. They can't get the basics right - think "trousers"... whenever I hear them it seems to come out sounding like "pants".

What's that all about!?
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Beamer is epic.
What's up with beamer ?
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In England it's a specific way of bowling in the noble sport of cricket. In London, it's an overpriced car aspired to by gangstas.
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Re: Switzerland falls behind in English skills...

who cares? switzerland is doing better than every english speaking country in the world.
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This get to me as well. Always makes me feel if the 'Swiss' kids on the playground, they would be picked on non-stop :P

It's partly the misuse of words to my NA English ears (yes, some British English words irritate me as well), but more the strong Swiss accent they put on the words, as to boldly claim them as their own!
LOL, now that is a bit rich - coming from a Brit (if you are one)- 1000s of French words are misspelt, mispronounced, misused, etc, in English, lol.

Reminds me of Bush 'of course the French have no word for entrepreneur'- ahahahaha. And if my niece tells me once more that she is going to the 'Ménage' with a horse at the week-end! I could give you a very long list here, truly.
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LOL, now that is a bit rich - coming from a Brit (if you are one)-
He/she isn't. They're either from the U.S. Or Canada or NA ( North America) as they put it.
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It's quite normal that when words are loaned from one language to another that their meaning shifts.

There are plenty of words in the English language that don't mean the same as they meant in their language of origin before we borrowed them.

Think abouts words such as spiel or chef or entrepreneur for example
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1000s of French words are misspelt, mispronounced, misused, etc, in English, lol.
But I wasn't talking about the Swiss misspelling or mispronouncing English words in their own language(s). Even Professor David Crystal talks of various Englishes. I'm talking about the inappropriate use of English words when the Swiss presumably think they are speaking English English. Not the same thing at all to my mind.
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OK, get it- like with 'Handy'.

However the English use of 'commode' is more than a bit bizarre for the French- for instance. Plenty of other exemples too, like the use of 'endive' (for chircory, and vice versa) and plenty more.

And of course the French have invented lots of non-existent English words, like 'footing' (for jogging) or 'brushing (for blow-dry), etc- some have even eventually found they way into official English usage, like the direct translation of 'bien être' into 'wellness' - which is now used in the UK.

Love language me- but we digress. Again- it is not surprising that a still mainly rural society, with 100% of the population having to learn a second national language first to a high level- are not so proficient overall in English.
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Reminds me of Bush 'of course the French have no word for entrepreneur'- ahahahaha.
He is right of course in a way, because the French word entrepreneur does not mean the same as the English word of the same spelling.

But one can discuss whether he was aware of that, and whether his little joke was intentional.
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