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Old 05.11.2015, 21:43
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Re: Citizenship for the rich

Big deal, cough up 65 grand and become a Maltese citizen…
http://www.maltaimmigration.com (Quote from H.E. Slammer)

Would this mean i would become a Malteser ?
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Big deal, cough up Eur 650'000 and become a Maltese citizen…
http://www.maltaimmigration.com"

FTFY. What a difference a digit makes.
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Old 05.11.2015, 22:31
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The only thing that made me smile is that SVP is strongly supporting the proposal..........
Hmmm? I read they were critical of it, but then decided it is for the Canton to decide, and not an issue for the national party. But where do you read they were strongly supporting, eh? Or is it just to sound more sensational?
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Now in Zug they want to allow the rich to get their citizenship without a German test-they can be German illiterate. What these arse holes will do for the rich!


http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/16171346

Well to some extent I get it.. As a C-permit holder who had to fight and claw to get it I am not rich. However, if I was rich I am not sure if I could be bothered to take a German exam and mix with all the unsavories .
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Old 06.11.2015, 06:23
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Well to some extent I get it.. As a C-permit holder who had to fight and claw to get it I am not rich. However, if I was rich I am not sure if I could be bothered to take a German exam and mix with all the unsavories .
... whereas I got mine automatically after 5 years thanks to my American citizenship. No fuss, no muss. No German required (though, as it happens, I speak it reasonably well). This is a non-story; if it was a passport, it might be interesting, but the OP is just desperately looking for a reason to be offended.
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Old 06.11.2015, 08:49
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Re: Citizenship for the rich

Liked this sentence from the news article "Die Schweiz ist ein Mekka für Reiche aus aller Welt"
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Re: Citizenship for the rich

B permits have been available to wealthy foreigners for a number of years under the rubbery immigration section "important public interest". See the attached link showing the origin of wealthy people granted B permits under this section:

https://translate.google.de/translat...014&edit-text=

Canton Zug is simply taking the existing practice to a new level with its law to grant wealthy non-EU citizens a C permit without the need to meet the German language requirement.

It is interesting that the article states that the C permits are intended for "wealthy expats from South Africa and Russians investors". Of the 389 special B permits granted from 2008 to 2014, 107 went to Russians but only two to South Africans.
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Is having millions as income and wealth = wish to integrate and contribute?
The amount of expats who want to, or who succeed in doing that is proportionally negligible anyway.
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Old 06.11.2015, 09:43
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FTFY. What a difference a digit makes.
Real Estate Purchase or Rental

Applicants must commit to retaining an immovable residence in Malta for a minimum time period of five years. This can be done by either buying a property in Malta for at least €350,000 and maintaining ownership for 5+ years, or by leasing a property for 5 years or more with a minimum annual rent of €16,000.

So, 80.000!

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The proposal is targeting rich south african and Russian expats not EU/EFTA citizens. The only thing that made me smile is that SVP is strongly supporting the proposal..........
Yes, I believe it is this hypocrisy that bothers some (e.g. the OP and myself)
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:06
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Re: Citizenship for the rich

I'm no leftist, but I find it pretty bloody awful when it's one rule for the extremely wealthy and another for everyone else. What would be the problem with just simply keeping them on a B permit?

It's like doing business with the Saudis. They maybe a dictatorship with a dreadful track record on human rights, but if they bring in a load of money then who gives a shit, right?
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:09
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When I said "contribute" I meant "add to the community/merge with the people living here". Sorry for not being so clear.
contribution is paying tax and serving as a fireman or military.

everything else is just a job or socialisation.

and some people can improve things by not merging with the people! :P
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:22
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Re: Citizenship for the rich

No German test for my C either when I lived in Zollikon and was married to a Swiss.

You've got to love double standards
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:27
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No German test for my C either when I lived in Zollikon and was married to a Swiss.

You've got to love double standards
No German test for me at all in Basel-Land, and no Swiss spouse requirement either!
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:31
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OP is clueless, lots of EU citizens don't need to take the test anyway to get a C permit. Bringing in rich people and taxing them here is a huge benefit....stop thinking like a leftist loser.
Yes - for example any EU citizen in canton SG with five years EU-B permit.
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:33
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So, running through a tax calculator for Zug city, an income of 1 mio would mean ca. 285K in tax revenue.

...Remember that of that 285K, 117K would go to the federal government, adding to the kitty that funds projects in your own cantons/Gemeinden.
I don't think many people in Zug with incomes of CHF 1 million pay 285k in income tax -- just as I don't pay the amount prescribed for my income, according to the tax calculator There are plenty of deductions and loopholes...

... and projects in my own canton/Gemeinde are funded by my canton/Gemeinde through Staats- and Gemeindesteuern.
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:35
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Re: Citizenship for the rich

In terms of tax and contribution:

No German test
No money
No job
No spouse
No clue

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And they still didn't kick me out of the country
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I'm no leftist, but I find it pretty bloody awful when it's one rule for the extremely wealthy and another for everyone else. What would be the problem with just simply keeping them on a B permit?

It's like doing business with the Saudis. They maybe a dictatorship with a dreadful track record on human rights, but if they bring in a load of money then who gives a shit, right?
It's a fair point, but ability to support yourself and contribute financially to the country is one of the pillars of the permanent residence requirements.

Effectively these people are "international" citizens - they probably only work locally a day or less a week, so the language is a big barrier for them. They also pay (local) people to do taxes, house maintenance and lots of the other interactions where language would be an inssue.

For me it isn't a big deal, but then I'm not (yet) Swiss. I think for citizenship knowing a national language should always be a requirement.

The Saudi bit is irrelevant; if they're a corrupt tax exile they shouldn't get a permit even if they speak perfect Swiss German!
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In terms of tax and contribution:

No German test
No money
No job
No spouse
No clue

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And they still didn't kick me out of the country
Yes but you live in Aargau. 'Tis is a silly place.
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No German test for me at all in Basel-Land, and no Swiss spouse requirement either!
Same for us in BS (at the time). Dunno if we'd have needed a language test if we'd already moved to OW at that time though.

But we already know that this varies between cantons; we know that Zug, amongst others, deliberately sets a low tax rate on businesses and earnings to attract investment and investors; we know, therefore, that this thread is, as already pointed out, about a complete non-story.
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