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Old 06.11.2015, 10:44
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Yes but you live in Aargau. 'Tis is a silly place.
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Same for us in BS (at the time). Dunno if we'd have needed a language test if we'd already moved to OW at that time though.

But we already know that this varies between cantons; we know that Zug, amongst others, deliberately sets a low tax rate on businesses and earnings to attract investment and investors; we know, therefore, that this thread is, as already pointed out, about a complete non-story.
We are lucky to live in AG. Living in BS sounds like a total nice bull ...
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:48
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The proposal is targeting rich south african and Russian expats not EU/EFTA citizens. The only thing that made me smile is that SVP is strongly supporting the proposal..........
By definition Russian expats with a huge amount of money in Zug are 99,9% thieves , who stole money from the state budget in Russia.
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:50
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I'm no leftist, but I find it pretty bloody awful when it's one rule for the extremely wealthy and another for everyone else. What would be the problem with just simply keeping them on a B permit?

It's like doing business with the Saudis. They maybe a dictatorship with a dreadful track record on human rights, but if they bring in a load of money then who gives a shit, right?
Probably because a B permit expires and have to be renewed, so it persuades tentative and short term investments. Whereas a C permit does not expire, persuading longer term and confident investments. Seems like sound governance for this reason.
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Old 06.11.2015, 10:54
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Re: Citizenship for the rich

yes they have 6000 milliarden in swiss accounts.
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Liked this sentence from the news article "Die Schweiz ist ein Mekka für Reiche aus aller Welt"
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:01
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Re: Citizenship [slightly easier C permit] for the rich

Got a C right off the bat because husband is a professor. Because he's Dutch it's like an EU C and no language test. My German is progressing.

I'm on my second C permit, but this one appears not to be tied to my husband (his name is no longer in the fine print). But still an EU type version.
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:06
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I'm on my second C permit, but this one appears not to be tied to my husband (his name is no longer in the fine print). But still an EU type version.
Why would you need a second C? I thought they do not expire.
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Why would you need a second C? I thought they do not expire.
they need to be renewed every 5 years
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:12
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Re: Citizenship [slightly easier C permit] for the rich

Survival tip ...

Learn your language badly and translate all official docs using google translate.

Collect all possible certificates because it's all about certification here (garbage collector certificate included).

Smile and try to integrate badly - the neighbours may even utter Gruetzi on invite to the apero.

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No need for millionaire's status when it's all so easy on the thorn ridden path to righteousness of obtaining your long awaited C Bewilligung
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:14
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they need to be renewed every 5 years
Oh, I thought they were valid for as long as you stay, in perpetuity.

But a major difference between B and C is being able to buy real estate?

Oh, and guns! C permit lets you buy guns.
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:16
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Oh, I thought they were valid for as long as you stay, in perpetuity.

But a major difference between B and C is being able to buy real estate?

Oh, and guns! C permit lets you buy guns.
You can buy the property on B but only rent it out on C.
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:28
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Oh, I thought they were valid for as long as you stay, in perpetuity.

But a major difference between B and C is being able to buy real estate?

Oh, and guns! C permit lets you buy guns.
How long have you been in Switzerland? Trolling much?
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:29
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Re: Citizenship [slightly easier C permit] for the rich

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Survival tip ...

Learn your language badly and translate all official docs using google translate.

Collect all possible certificates because it's all about certification here (garbage collector certificate included).

Smile and try to integrate badly - the neighbours may even utter Gruetzi on invite to the apero.

Thou shall remain quiet and make no noise after midnight ...

No need for millionaire's status when it's all so easy on the thorn ridden path to righteousness of obtaining your long awaited C Bewilligung
You passed your Aargau integration test by Aargau-style driving.
That equivalent to marrying a Swiss women, speaking fluently german and being the president of the local yodeling club.
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Re: Citizenship for the rich

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... whereas I got mine automatically after 5 years thanks to my American citizenship. No fuss, no muss. No German required (though, as it happens, I speak it reasonably well). This is a non-story; if it was a passport, it might be interesting, but the OP is just desperately looking for a reason to be offended.
But you got the C permit a while ago right? not in the past couple of years right?
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:37
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You passed your Aargau integration test by Aargau-style driving.
That equivalent to marrying a Swiss women, speaking fluently german and being the president of the local yodeling club.
Well, I've actually nearly lost it when I went for cross-border body repair facelifting and then claimed my DE export tax but failed to declare CH import tax all the same
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Old 06.11.2015, 11:38
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How long have you been in Switzerland? Trolling much?
I never had to deal with this permit stuff. I got facilitated quickly after living here, no language, no yodelling, no brown nosing, nada. Funny thing is that I was adverse to getting citizenship, I didn't really want it, but did it somewhat reluctantly.
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Old 06.11.2015, 15:29
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Oh, I thought they were valid for as long as you stay, in perpetuity.

But a major difference between B and C is being able to buy real estate?

Oh, and guns! C permit lets you buy guns.
Valid, yes; it will never expire, you just have to go to the office and say "yes, I'm staying." Bam, new permit. B permit can (hypothetically) be more easily revoked, as I understand it, and the C doesn't have any of the restrictions sometimes associated with Bs (eg regarding moving cantons or such). But I'm no lawyer.

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But you got the C permit a while ago right? not in the past couple of years right?
2011, 2012, somewhere around there.
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Re: Citizenship [slightly easier C permit] for the rich

c permit is basically full rights without voting rights, but if you rape people multiple times you get expelled. The renewing process is so that if you went to live elsewhere it expires automatically and you won't get it back.
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Re: Citizenship [slightly easier C permit] for the rich

I am a EU citizen, and came to ZH on a B permit back in 1998. Five years later both me and my wife got a C permit (without asking - it just arrived in the post).

We had to renew the B permit every year and we paid taxes "as you earn". Only thing C hanged is we have to renew every five years, and pay taxes the year after (but if you are smart then you pay them in advance e.g. PAYE).

Citizenship is a whole different ballgame.
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And no noise before midnight either.
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Only thing C hanged is we have to renew every five years, and pay taxes the year after.
You don't pay them the year after, you pay them during the current year.

BUT, the amount is only finalised the year later (at the earliest).

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