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Old 01.12.2015, 19:32
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

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I don't think being involved in local politics is a reason for NOT giving citizenship, she just chose the wrong side. There is an abuse of church bells since they were automatized in the 70s, it's a well known problem and source of fights in many communes, sometimes it causes noise pollution, but compromises can be made.
True that people should be more careful when they move though, this doesn't apply only to bells but also bars etc.

See that's where the problem starts , next they outlaw "BARS "
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Old 01.12.2015, 19:33
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

I will support the elimination of church bells if they give everyone a free Rolex.

However, eliminating cow bells is a much bigger problem, and not solved as easily.

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Old 01.12.2015, 19:56
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

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See that's where the problem starts , next they outlaw "BARS "
yes that's why i say they should pay attention, but abolishing bells at night or the secular tolling (the one for the hours not the religious tollings) doesn't damage anyone, destroying bars as they did in bellinzona does.
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Old 01.12.2015, 20:21
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

I kinda want to get angry at church bells, but they just phase out of existence, I have a church around two hundred meters from me and I no longer hear it's chimes. Sometimes I have a bout of sleeplessness and hearing those ****ers go at 4 in the morning is the worse feeling,, but otherwise they're completely inaudible to me.

There's maybe a rights issue on whether any particular religious denomination should have the right to bang bells or sing prayers whatever the time, but as a time keeping service I'm ok with it.

I still notice sometimes when they have some sort of holiday or maybe a wedding and bang the hell out of the bells, but it's mostly in the daytime and I'm also allowed to play my stereo loud.
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Old 01.12.2015, 20:38
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

Vaguely related question. Does anyone know why at least one set of bells rang for five minutes at 0610 this morning in Rapperswil?
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Old 01.12.2015, 20:41
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destroying bars as they did in bellinzona does.
What bars did they distroy in Belli?

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What bars did they distroy in Belli?

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Just saying that when outsiders come into town and dictate law instead of informing themselves beforehand they can potentially do some serious damage.
the last victim was the bacchica, not a bar but an event. Destroy was an exaggeration.
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Old 01.12.2015, 20:52
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

Your protest has been noted! No Swiss citizenship for you!

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Vaguely related question. Does anyone know why at least one set of bells rang for five minutes at 0610 this morning in Rapperswil?
I was practising Basel Fasnacht marches this evening on the piccolo. Do you think the neighbours will have grassed me up to the the Zurich Schweizermacher?

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Old 01.12.2015, 20:57
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Your protest has been noted! No Swiss citizenship for you!

Not a protest, just noticing a minor change in schedule - isn't that worth bonus points or something ;-)
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Old 01.12.2015, 20:59
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Vaguely related question. Does anyone know why at least one set of bells rang for five minutes at 0610 this morning in Rapperswil?
maybe for the first of december?
there are some parishes that do the "scampanio" every morning at 6, there's one in ticino, i don't remember where, that does 108 chimes.
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Old 01.12.2015, 21:03
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maybe for the first of december?
there are some parishes that do the "scampanio" every morning at 6, there's one in ticino, i don't remember where, that does 108 chimes.

This morning we got 0600, 0610 and 0615 !
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Old 01.12.2015, 21:19
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

My local church in Zug, thankfully out of hearing distance, is almost completly surrounded by newly built flats. The church is close to the train station , an area where acomodation is in high demand. I notice that very many of the churchgoers on Sunday arrive by car so they are obviously not locals. Would it not make sense to move churches out of town centres? To shopping complexes which are closed on Sundays and have plenty of parking spaces. The current situation is no longer in tune with the times!
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

What saddens me most is that even a lot of the veterans on this forum believe she does not 'deserve' to be Swiss because she dared to criticize certain Swiss traditions and foreigners are not allowed to do that. Is this the Swiss democracy that is being trumpeted all the time?
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Old 01.12.2015, 21:41
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What saddens me most is that even a lot of the veterans on this forum believe she does not 'deserve' to be Swiss because she dared to criticize certain Swiss traditions and foreigners are not allowed to do that. Is this the Swiss democracy that is being trumpeted all the time?
How has she "deserved" to be Swiss?
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Old 01.12.2015, 21:56
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

what amazes me is that she has lived here for more than 30 years and do not understand how people tick here....really fighting against the bells???

what's next she wants to ban cheese and chocolate?
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Old 01.12.2015, 22:04
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How has she "deserved" to be Swiss?
by living here for 30 years and having 3 Swiss children?
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Old 01.12.2015, 22:06
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Your protest has been noted! No Swiss citizenship for you!



I was practising Basel Fasnacht marches this evening on the piccolo. Do you think the neighbours will have grassed me up to the the Zurich Schweizermacher?

Cheers,
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I am sure that one of the circles of hell shrills to the piercing screeches of the nails-on-blackboard-piccolo-tinnitus demons from Basel.
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Old 01.12.2015, 22:06
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Really, surely the right to protest without fearing "consequences" is the essence of democracy?
Freedom of expression is necessary for a democracy. Note that that is not the same as freedom from consequences of expression, only freedom from government reprisals.

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My local church in Zug, thankfully out of hearing distance, is almost completly surrounded by newly built flats. The church is close to the train station , an area where acomodation is in high demand. I notice that very many of the churchgoers on Sunday arrive by car so they are obviously not locals. Would it not make sense to move churches out of town centres? To shopping complexes which are closed on Sundays and have plenty of parking spaces. The current situation is no longer in tune with the times!
The church has been there how long? From your description, the flats are new, but your argument would seem to be that simply because they're in high demand, the pre-existing tenant (the church) should move. Surely you can see that's a poor criteria for such decisions...?
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Old 01.12.2015, 22:07
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Yeah, and the Dukes of Hannover, and of Saxe Coburg, and of Gotha.
And Phil's Greek!
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Old 01.12.2015, 22:12
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

And at any point in the process were you told which political opinions you are required to hold in order to be a UK citizen?

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It's just plain common sense to study the process of naturalisation of the country you live in and intend to apply for citizenship- and then, sort of take this into account. Now I'm happy to agree the system of approval in CH may well be archa´c, maybe all sorts of things- but it is what it is. As said, when I applied fro UK citizenship I had to swear ma allegiance to the Queen and her descendants. Would have been plain daft of me to refuse- or to go in on the day with placards calling for a Republic, wouldn't it? If she has lived here for 30+ years, she should know how it works.

Nowadays, would i swear my allegiance to the Royal family holding the Bible in my right hand- probably not.You either play the local game, or you don't - is what I mean by accepting consequences.
Maybe the Aargauers just didn't like somebody whose knuckles don't scrape along the ground.

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