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Old 01.12.2015, 22:15
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

Maybe you can trade in Coop club points for a passport.

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Not a protest, just noticing a minor change in schedule - isn't that worth bonus points or something ;-)
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Old 01.12.2015, 22:30
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by living here for 30 years and having 3 Swiss children?
Apparently not the benchmark for Citizenship in Switzerland. Her community apparently did not accept her for some reasons.

I don't know the back story, but I do like the idea of a community agreeing to accept a foreigner into their midst. It's kind of National Geographicish in that way. Some commencement ritual with fire, bongos and topless dancing would be pretty cool too.

Apparently, she did not fit in, had a reputation as a bad apple, or the natives found something not quite right with her. I wonder if she likes living where she does.
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Old 01.12.2015, 22:31
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I wonder if she likes living where she does.
She lives in AG, what's to like?

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Old 01.12.2015, 22:35
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Just saying that when outsiders come into town and dictate law instead of informing themselves beforehand they can potentially do some serious damage.
By "outsiders", do you mean "zucchini"?

Or "chrucchi"?

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Old 01.12.2015, 22:59
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by living here for 30 years and having 3 Swiss children?

One of the criteria is understanding the culture.

So can anyone name something that shows less cultural understanding than telling a bunch of Swiss (in AG no less) that their traditions are all wrong?

Maybe asking to do the interview in Hochdeutsch, but nothing else springs to mind.
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Old 01.12.2015, 23:00
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I don't think being involved in local politics is a reason for NOT giving citizenship, she just chose the wrong side. There is an abuse of church bells since they were automatized in the 70s, it's a well known problem and source of fights in many communes, sometimes it causes noise pollution, but compromises can be made.
True that people should be more careful when they move though, this doesn't apply only to bells but also bars etc.
The irony is that she actually cares and is involved in local politics... while I can probably get a fast-tracked citizenship just for marrying a Swiss man and speaking an official language. This is just dumb.
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Old 01.12.2015, 23:03
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what amazes me is that she has lived here for more than 30 years and do not understand how people tick here....really fighting against the bells???

what's next she wants to ban cheese and chocolate?
Errr, I know a lot of Swiss people that think the bells are stupid.

I also know Swiss people with lactose intolerance.

And Swiss people who don't eat chocolate.

Are we going to take away their citizenship for being a little different?
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Old 01.12.2015, 23:03
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The irony is that she actually cares and is involved in local politics... while I can probably get a fast-tracked citizenship just for marrying a Swiss man and speaking an official language. This is just dumb.
No, she's still a vegan who hates bells.

What's to like?

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Old 01.12.2015, 23:04
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Errr, I know a lot of Swiss people that think the bells are stupid.

I also know Swiss people with lactose intolerance.

And Swiss people who don't eat chocolate.

Are we going to take away their citizenship for being a little different?
Sure, why not?

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Old 01.12.2015, 23:05
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The irony is that she actually cares and is involved in local politics... while I can probably get a fast-tracked citizenship just for marrying a Swiss man and speaking an official language. This is just dumb.
Why would that be dumb? I think true citizenship bears some social responsibilities to the country. So for example, should a professed anarchist be granted citizenship anywhere? Could be a very politically involved anarchist at that.

hmmm, maybe in Germany or Sweden they might. But strikes me as very dumb to do.
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Old 01.12.2015, 23:07
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The irony is that she actually cares and is involved in local politics... while I can probably get a fast-tracked citizenship just for marrying a Swiss man and speaking an official language. This is just dumb.

The thing is the Swiss offer citizenship, it isn't a basic right. In your example they are offering it for the benefit of the existing citizen.

I agree it seems unfair, but the dumb bit is also not stepping back from controversy for a year or two prior to applying. I wonder why the situation wasn't clear - it would now be almost impossible to try again - unless she was being bloody minded about it which doesn't seem too unlikely.
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

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By "outsiders", do you mean "zucchini"?

Or "chrucchi"?

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i was thinking of the leader of the "silence squad" in bellinzona who is from... italy! Anyway sure there are some ticinesi who complain too.

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The thing is the Swiss offer citizenship, it isn't a basic right. In your example they are offering it for the benefit of the existing citizen.
True it is not an acquired right, having lived here for X years is just a requirement.
Anyway 206 votes in a town of 3500, of which 144 against, sounds like mobbing to me, i think the communal council should decide popular vote doesn't make sense, only people who knew her or were against her would vote.
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Old 02.12.2015, 00:05
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And at any point in the process were you told which political opinions you are required to hold in order to be a UK citizen?



Maybe the Aargauers just didn't like somebody whose knuckles don't scrape along the ground.

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Well being required to swear my allegiance to the Royal family certainly meant I was required not to be a Republican, no? A lot more fundamental than bells!

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Old 02.12.2015, 00:10
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i was thinking of the leader of the "silence squad" in bellinzona who is from... italy! Anyway sure there are some ticinesi who complain too.
Alas, dead, and sottoceneri.

Nano was a longtime (decades) friend of my wife's sister, though my wife herself despised him (but agreed with his politics, she just thought he was scum, for personal reasons).

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Old 02.12.2015, 00:20
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The thing is the Swiss offer citizenship, it isn't a basic right. In your example they are offering it for the benefit of the existing citizen.

I agree it seems unfair, but the dumb bit is also not stepping back from controversy for a year or two prior to applying. I wonder why the situation wasn't clear - it would now be almost impossible to try again - unless she was being bloody minded about it which doesn't seem too unlikely.
What controversy? Traditions change. Are you saying a woman in 1970 should have just shut up because she didn't have the vote in order not to stir up controversy? It's a bit ridiculous to expect someone to be tradition-following drone in order to fit in.

Most of my Swiss friends are geeky missfits and that doesn't make them less Swiss. I'm also pretty sure they contribute more to the Swiss economy and Switzerland's scientific community than a bunch of weird anti-vegans in some village mobbing a woman they don't like. I bet being gay in such a community would also grant one as unacceptable too. Does that mean they should also be denied citizenship? What if this woman was in a wheelchair or had a facial deformity? We're not in high school anymore, this kind of pettiness doesn't belong at this level.

I guess citizenship means different things to different people, but considering she's spent 75% of her life here, had her family here, is involved in local politics and is invested in her community makes her a better citizen than most people in that community even if nobody agreed with her dietary choices (which let's face, is a dietary choice). But we don't live in Saudi Arabia and we don't police people's opinions here. Switzerland still has a lot of room to grow.
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And Phil's Greek!
von Battenberg is such a typical Greek name.
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Well being required to swear my allegiance to the Royal family certainly meant I was required not to be a Republican, no? A lot more fundamental than bells!
If you wanted to be a Republican you should have moved to Texas, not the UK
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I had to swear my allegiance to the Queen and her descendants to become British- even Canadians have to do that.
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Well citizenship ceremonies were only introduced in 2003 so either you took a long time to get your citizenship or you're telling porkie pies odile!

And if you protested having to do this or got your mates to protest your citizenship ceremony then I can absolutely guarentee you'd still get your certificate. This part of the ceremony is merely a formality in the UK
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what amazes me is that she has lived here for more than 30 years and do not understand how people tick here....really fighting against the bells???

what's next she wants to ban cheese and chocolate?
No worst the "Bars'
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