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Old 03.01.2016, 21:41
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Re: refugees in bunkers

But did you read that the IKEA flat pack homes failed the Swiss fire inspection? A Swiss company then jumped into the breach with a fire proof design, and it is only 1½ times more expensive... (2½ times the IKEA price)
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Old 03.01.2016, 23:20
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You need an update, students are not all like they used to be. Thankful for a room in Amsterdam, yes, but they still try to avoid certain places... I would too.
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Old 04.01.2016, 09:53
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Re: refugees in bunkers

We mended the broken door on our bomb shelter yesterday. Can we sub-let it now?
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Old 04.01.2016, 10:22
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We mended the broken door on our bomb shelter yesterday. Can we sub-let it now?
You don`t need permission if it belongs to you. But I would check with the local authorities first.
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Old 04.01.2016, 15:03
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Re: refugees in bunkers

I also came home from my Christmas jollies to find this information stuffed in my postbox. One hundred odd are going to be moving in next door. No consultation, no nothing, and by the looks of it there's not much we can do about it. There's going to be an information session tomorrow evening, so let's see if that sheds anymore light on the matter.

I went to snoop around there yesterday afternoon and I can't say I envy them much. It is literally a bunker. Cold, dark, damp and with no windows. I'm sure that cows that come down from the mountains for winter have better accommodation than that. They're certainly not going to be feeling very welcome there. It's also clear to me that no one could possible live in those conditions for any length of time. Let's see though.

My main issue is that this accommodation also happens to be directly next to the secondary school. These two don't mix well.
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Old 04.01.2016, 15:44
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My main issue is that this accommodation also happens to be directly next to the secondary school. These two don't mix well.
Wow, my main issue would be at least give these people somewhere warm and safe to stay until their legal status can be ascertained it needn't be luxury but not a bunker or a prison.
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Old 04.01.2016, 15:46
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Wow, my main issue would be at least give these people somewhere warm and safe to stay until their legal status can be ascertained it needn't be luxury but not a bunker or a prison.
Why not?

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In Netherlands they are thinking about container refugee camps. Container homes could be easy relocated if needed.


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They already do this, its a good cheap temporary solution although it must be miserable to stay there for a long time. You can visit if you like, maybe you can talk to some of the people staying there. Its next to Basislager, the Artists Ateliers that are also made out of shipping containers its near Altstetten, theres is also a little cafe called Zum Transit (apt name) next door.
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Why not?

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Where would you go in the event of a nuclear attack?

Seriously Tom, have some humanity mate.
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Old 04.01.2016, 15:53
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Wow, my main issue would be at least give these people somewhere warm and safe to stay until their legal status can be ascertained it needn't be luxury but not a bunker or a prison.
They should be given somewhere safe to stay so long as it doesn't endanger local children and teenagers. The advantage of housing them in these bunkers is that it'll soon become obvious who's genuine and who is here for the gravy train. I just hope that the Swiss are more efficient in ascertaining this than mother Merkel across the Rhein.
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Re: refugees in bunkers

Who's endangered? Has there been a huge surge in petty crime or in violent crime?
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Old 04.01.2016, 16:11
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Who's endangered? Has there been a huge surge in petty crime or in violent crime?
Erm, yes. See Germany.

More anecdotal evidence, my father in law's school has had a home for a few hundred refugees built next door. The vast majority male. At the end of last year one of his 14 year old pupils turned up to school with black eye that couldn't open and swollen cheek. She'd been walking to school when a migrant had cycled up to her and started trying to chat to her in English and smooching his lips together. She told him to go away and when he tried to flick her hair she pushed his arm away.

This resulted in him leaping off his bike and punching her twice in the face. Completely unprovoked. This lad could have been anything from 15 to 25. Police were called to the school and were told they couldn't do much as "they won't talk and all look the same so it's hard to identify them".

I don't wand this happening to my kids, or indeed any minors, on my doorstep.
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Old 04.01.2016, 16:35
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Erm, yes. See Germany.
http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees...any/a-18848890

I cant say anything about your anecdotal account, but it is however only anecdotal. Its quite hard to tell fact from fiction these days. Of course there will be cases of crimes committed by asylum seekers and refugees, but there is likely just as much crime committed by Pegida supporters. It also depends on what your sources of reading material would like you to believe. Personally I steer clear of the Daily Fail and the Express, but who knows there may be truth in there somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised by there being an increase in petty crime as these people have nothing and until they assimilate will remain at the edge of sustenance. That being said, I also find some of the BS accusatory comments here to be quite ridiculous, especially coming from some seemingly very privileged people who do not have not a lot else to do in the day apart from complain on this forum.

*ducks out of this debate swiftly*

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I cant say anything about your anecdotal account, but it is however only anecdotal. Its quite hard to tell fact from fiction these days. Of course there will be cases of crimes committed by asylum seekers and refugees, but there is likely just as much crime committed by Pegida supporters. It also depends on what your sources of reading material would like you to believe. Personally I steer clear of the Daily Fail and the Express, but who knows there may be truth in there somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised by there being an increase in petty crime as these people have nothing and until they assimilate will remain at the edge of sustenance. That being said, I also find some of the BS accusatory comments here to be quite ridiculous, especially coming from some seemingly very privileged people who do not have not a lot else to do in the day apart from complain on this forum.

*ducks out of this debate swiftly*
Likewise, http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/germany-c...d-by-migrants/

At the moment I don't know if you can trust anything that is published in the German media. One thing's for certain, there'd be less crime by refugees and against them if there weren't so many in the country.
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Re: refugees in bunkers

Why are the government saying it is not a problem here when 2 members of this forum got the same pre-christmas message in different parts of Switzerland? How many more places is this happening? Is it being kept quiet so as not to alarm the population?
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Is it being kept quiet so as not to alarm the population?
No need for that.


European rotten states with gleichgeschaltete Medien and Lügenpresse have already Chemtrails for that.


And Barack Hussein Obama, of course.
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Re: refugees in bunkers

With "supportive" press articles like the one you quoted above, who needs evidence to the contrary?

The content of that article belies its headline. Quotes include:

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Refugees from Iraq and Syria as well as from the Balkans were also more likely to commit crimes than from other countries of origin.
(Note that the bulk of the refugees currently being considered for asylum in Switzerland come from Iraq and Syria.)

And note that the report was biased from the outset:
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Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière... explained that he had ordered the report in early October in order to provide proof to "dispel rumors about an increase in criminal acts in Germany."
But at least the minister admits that even if their crime rate is equal to that of other German residents, a huge influx of refugees results in increased crime over all, and that isn't in anybody's interest:
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Re: refugees in bunkers

I also had a naive faith in the political system here. We get to vote on single issues like smoking, lengthy referendums & counter referendums, all kinds of issues, yet here there is a general override without any forewarning... the powers that be that were supposedly democratic have waved their wand. You'd expect it in the UK, France or other countries where you have voted left, right or in the middle & that's that. Still, they should be coming back from their mountain chalets in Valais now so we'll await the next piece of paper telling us what someone somewhere has decided about our little piece of the world.
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This is extremely common and has been the case for centuries. When poor Italians arrived in Switzerland, it was the men first- to see if they could make it work, if they could earn enough to keep the family- then the families joined them a year or two or more later. Same when my Swiss aunts and uncles went to the USA and Canada, and others to Australia. When my OH's family escaped from the vicious and nasty system of apartheid, father came first, to suss things out, then mother, and children were brought over by an aunt later.
Haven`t read to the end of this thread yet but feel compelled to reply to this inane post.......

Italians came here to WORK. They had to have employment before receiving a yearly permit allowing them to work for only 9 months - had to leave the country for 3 months before returning again to their employment.

The Swiss actually went to Italy to recruit those laborers. No job, no permit to enter country. Later those employed Italians found jobs for their male relatives, same permit conditions, which they were content with, as they earned what they could not earn at home.

They were not refugees. They received no social benefits.

Later came the Polish, on their own, receiving same conditions. Today many Polish people still come here seasonally to work on farms. They still have to return home, and receive no social benefits - although also "poor" by European standards.

Of those foreigners here from European countries (outside of Europe) I have grave doubts that "economic" or "cruel and nasty" political conditions would be grounds for asylum/refugee acceptance.

Pertaining to this thread is the fact that those European migrant workers were not known to hang out peering into school classrooms, or in gangs in shopping malls/train stations - they were too busy learning the language and WORKING.
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