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There was an articlke in 20 Minuten this morning. Apparently some people are upset about the no side using a swastika on their adverts.
Indeed, the NO side is doing their damndest to get me to change my vote to YES.

Still a couple days to decide.

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Indeed, the NO side is doing their damndest to get me to change my vote to YES.

Still a couple days to decide.

Tom
Oh, please don't let the "NO Side" influence you in any form or manner. If you do intend to vote yes, then do that using your own judgment. After all when the consequences of your action reveal themselves you do want to take responsibility for them don't you? Only children claim "he/they made me do" such and such...
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There was an articlke in 20 Minuten this morning. Apparently some people are upset about the no side using a swastika on their adverts.
People get upset over all sorts of things. Doesn't mean much. We are living in a democracy and freedom of speech and expression are cornerstones of that said democracy.
technically speaking, its not a complete swastika, just an emerging one, big difference...
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Old 24.02.2016, 12:08
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People get upset over all sorts of things. Doesn't mean much. We are living in a democracy and freedom of speech and expression are cornerstones of that said democracy.
technically speaking, its not a complete swastika, just an emerging one, big difference...
A yes, I am sure that is a great consolation to any Holocaust survivors.
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Old 24.02.2016, 12:15
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A yes, I am sure that is a great consolation to any Holocaust survivors.
Oh the swastika is still used in many parts of asia, no one get their shoes all tied up about that, but i digress..
The point of the swastika was not it itself, but what it stands for; the division of society into 2 major groups, one above the other. Please read the text beaneath the swastika, thanks
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Old 24.02.2016, 12:18
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There was an articlke in 20 Minuten this morning. Apparently some people are upset about the no side using a swastika on their adverts.

I wonder which party always said “black sheep is just a figure of speech and it doesn’t mean anything more than that. Making mountains out of molehills and seeing bad when there is none".

Well, I now say the swastika is just a shape and it doesn't mean anything more than that.
Are the rough and tough patriots of the SVP bothered by a funny looking cross that could have been drawn by one of their five year olds?
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Old 24.02.2016, 12:21
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Oh the swastika is still used in many parts of asia, no one get their shoes all tied up about that, but i digress..
The point of the swastika was not it itself, but what it stands for; the division of society into 2 major groups, one above the other. Please read the text beaneath the swastika, thanks


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Old 24.02.2016, 12:23
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There was an articlke in 20 Minuten this morning. Apparently some people are upset about the no side using a swastika on their adverts.
I can understand people being upset.
I believe the sign came originally from the FDP, one wonders whose side they are on!
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Old 24.02.2016, 12:27
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It says Buffetexpress
Lol, very funny old chap, hilarious.

No it says this
"1933: Deutschland, 1948: Süd Afrika, 2016: Schweiz"
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Old 24.02.2016, 12:35
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"No relevance to the point you're replying to" The point was your speculation that foreigners leaving Switzerland would reduce Social costs whereas as I answered your speculation with facts showing the opposite is true.
Except you didn't. One can arrive at any result by excluding one third of the cohort as well as major cost blocks.

Generally speaking crimes are committed by the young, 18-50 or so, the same applies to less grave stuff like speeding. Consequentially this is the age group that would be affected most by the DSI. AHV has zero relevance at this age.

Additionally, children are factor number one that has the family need social help. Again this affects the young exclusively, and foreigners even more so as they have more children than nationals.

And there is of course the inverse correlation/coincidence of economic status and criminality rate.

Again, let's keep from distorting and misrepresenting the facts. That's the other side's approach.

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"2.2% of all Swiss nationals are supported by social help. Among the foreigners the ratio is roughly three times as high with 6.3%."

Now you are conveniently leaving out the fact that almost 50% of all social costs go to retired people. Since 25% of the people here are foreigners then at least 75% of these costs are for supporting Swiss people; as mentioned many foreigners retire in other countries.
No. I simply refuse to twist the facts to make them support your point:

For the vast majority of all cases it makes no difference whether a retired person lives here or abroad. It also doesn't matter at what age or under what circumstances somebody leaves, they remain entitled.

Thus the DSI would have no effect. That's the topic, remember?

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Old 24.02.2016, 12:39
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A yes, I am sure that is a great consolation to any Holocaust survivors.
I think I threw up a little when I read that.
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Old 24.02.2016, 12:42
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Lol, very funny old chap, hilarious.

No it says this
"1933: Deutschland, 1948: Süd Afrika, 2016: Schweiz"
You are bother wrong, it says "kiosk".

Anyway, what does Germany and South Africa's treatment of their citizens have to do with Switzerland wanting to deport non-citizens?

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Indeed, the NO side is doing their damndest to get me to change my vote to YES.

Still a couple days to decide.

Tom
So you don't vote on the subject, but rather which sides' campaign you like more or despise less?

Ahm. Right. I'm sure that makes sense. Somehow....
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Old 24.02.2016, 13:23
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So you don't vote on the subject, but rather which sides' campaign you like more or despise less?

Ahm. Right. I'm sure that makes sense. Somehow....
Well, that's generally how voting works!

But as I don't have any strong feeling on this subject one way or another, my general rule is to vote NO, but that may change.

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You are bother wrong, it says "kiosk".

Anyway, what does Germany and South Africa's treatment of their citizens have to do with Switzerland wanting to deport non-citizens?

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in both situations; South Africa and Germany there were essentially 2 Societies in the eyes of the law.
That would be the same situation if the DSI is passed.
Its not about deporting non-citizens, its about why having to deport them. Big difference
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Well, that's generally how voting works!

But as I don't have any strong feeling on this subject one way or another, my general rule is to vote NO, but that may change.

Tom
Well then, we "may" or "may not" really be interested in what you might want to vote for. After all voting is a private manner. Please feel no need to let us know if you're going to vote yes or no.
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Old 24.02.2016, 13:38
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in both situations; South Africa and Germany there were essentially 2 Societies in the eyes of the law.
That would be the same situation if the DSI is passed.
Nonsense.

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Nonsense.

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lol, great argument. To your "nonsense" i, too say nonsense...see where that gets us? yes, thats true, no where...
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http://giphy.com/gifs/l4KhL1I0knZtqhTEY

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A yes, I am sure that is a great consolation to any Holocaust survivors.
I don't think there are any left alive

http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Nazi+S...h-serp&suggid=

- but I understand your concern.
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