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Old 16.01.2016, 00:50
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Society, laws and governments were all developed to counter this basic human instinct. When governments fail to protect their own citizens from this, they fail to perform their fundamental duty. The frustration and anger displayed is therefore not a surprise.

Governments are in the business of protecting their citizens from trying to find the best quality of life?
Really?
So who would vote for them?
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It seems like you actually know me personally? If you don't then please stop talking shit like you do.
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Just flew back home to find out this has developed into a proper Friday thread. But who the h*ck is SteAlka who is groaning at soooo many posts?
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Ah ha the truth hurts?
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Governments are in the business of protecting their citizens from trying to find the best quality of life?
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So who would vote for them?
Hey I'm closing the pub now and kicking all drunk people....enough drinking for today; get some sleep and come back tomorrow.

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Please explain me how can small Swiss German kids understand cartoons on TV
Because cartoons are mostly pictures based. Which, obviously, are language neutral.
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Old 16.01.2016, 09:00
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No, sorry, you miss the point. They are in Turkey...
What - like the Iranian Christian I met who fled because of death threats from some Muslims in the camps?

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Because cartoons are mostly pictures based. Which, obviously, are language neutral.
Exactly. My wife and I didn't speak German at home when the kids were growing up. That didn't stop them spending ours watching terrible German programming. Cartoon language could be Etruscan and they'd still watch it.
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Governments are in the business of protecting their citizens from trying to find the best quality of life?
Really?
So who would vote for them?
Ok. Poorly worded perhaps on my part.

Feel free then to continue to vote for governments who would take your things* and give them to someone else merely because they (others) want what you have.

Enjoy your life comrade.


* Culture. tradition, safety, wealth (via tax), quality of life, free space, cleanliness, freedom, etc etc etc
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Old 16.01.2016, 10:23
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Ok. Poorly worded perhaps on my part.

Feel free then to continue to vote for governments who would take your things* and give them to someone else merely because they (others) want what you have.

Enjoy your life comrade.


* Culture. tradition, safety, wealth (via tax), quality of life, free space, cleanliness, freedom, etc etc etc
I'll happily vote for a government that uses my tax money to give to people who are in desperate need. I'll happily vote for a government that has a humanitarian outlook. I do agree, however, that the way of life of the host country must be protected. Multiculturalism does not have to walk hand in hand with immigration.

However, the essential problem with this and other discussions about people wanting to come here for whatever reason is that "refugee" is actually an irrational noun.
  1. I am a refugee
  2. You are an economic migrant
  3. He is foaming at the mouth Islamist intent on the destruction of our society.
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Old 16.01.2016, 10:59
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Re: Swiss to claim costs from asylum seekers

Seems to me the enforcement of a 20-year-old Swiss law would be better described as Debt Bondage.

Debt bondage (also known as debt slavery or bonded labour) is a person's pledge of their labour or services as security for the repayment for a debt or other obligation.”

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Old 16.01.2016, 11:17
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Re: Swiss to claim costs from asylum seekers

You want the best for yourself and your family-but you don't give others the same right do you?
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What you fail to understand is that they cannot have everything they want, simply because they demand it.

I will say it one more time:
Once they have entered an EU country which is considered safe and not at war then they have then found refuge. Once they leave this country they are not fleeing a war, they then become economic migrants by definition.
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Old 16.01.2016, 11:18
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Society, laws and governments were all developed to counter this basic human instinct. When governments fail to protect their own citizens from this, they fail to perform their fundamental duty. The frustration and anger displayed is therefore not a surprise.
but we all do the same one way or the other...:roll eyes: and in the end the smart ones gets away with it like everything else in our society

most of these people has nothing to lose so...

I mean if I was living in a country which is being bombed everyday I would also try to get to the best place if I had the means for it and not settle myself in a camp in Lebanon, wouldn't you? Would be quite stupid not to...
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Old 16.01.2016, 11:38
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You want the best for yourself and your family-but you don't give others the same right do you?
How does your "want" become a "right" ???
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Old 16.01.2016, 11:40
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I mean if I was living in a country which is being bombed everyday I would also try to get to the best place if I had the means for it and not settle myself in a camp in Lebanon, wouldn't you? Would be quite stupid not to...
People regardless of origin have a "right" to safety that they did not generate themselves - without question I support that and would happily pay but they do not have a "right" to wealth that they did not generate themselves. This is the crucial point that all those pro-illegal immigration fail deliberately to address.
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Old 16.01.2016, 11:44
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I'll happily vote for a government that uses my tax money to give to people who are in desperate need. I'll happily vote for a government that has a humanitarian outlook. I do agree, however, that the way of life of the host country must be protected. Multiculturalism does not have to walk hand in hand with immigration.

However, the essential problem with this and other discussions about people wanting to come here for whatever reason is that "refugee" is actually an irrational noun.
  1. I am a refugee
  2. You are an economic migrant
  3. He is foaming at the mouth Islamist intent on the destruction of our society.
I won't.

Charity is an individual's business not the government's. A government is sworn to protect and serve its OWN people.

If those people want to help other countries they either need to have a referendum and decide they will do it on a state level IF it passes or most likely if they are good hearted leftists like yourself, will open their wallet and help from their own money.

Pretending to be a samaritan with other people's property is what is so disgusting with today's world.

P.S Only reason those brutes came into Europe is because that pathetic excuse for a chancellor invited them along without having ANY right to do so. She lost any credibility as an EU leader and is only a matter of time before she is kicked out of her party and the German government. All of Europe is suffering because of what her idiotic policies did, never stopping to think how all the other countries would be affected by her promising of benefits and money to all sorts of undocumented immigrants, many of whom can just be ISIS terrorists, rapists, murderers etc.
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Old 16.01.2016, 11:50
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Seems to me the enforcement of a 20-year-old Swiss law would be better described as Debt Bondage.

Debt bondage (also known as debt slavery or bonded labour) is a person's pledge of their labour or services as security for the repayment for a debt or other obligation.”
Is a mortgage or student loan also bonded labour then?
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They are not at war and they are safe. Once the refugees continue through these safe countries they are no longer refugees
Many transit countries do not have the infrastructure to provide even the basics for survival to the refugees.

Take Greece as an example (I am Greek and I know what I am talking about)!

Refugees who are unfortunate to get stranded in Athens (or even worse, at the borders to our Balkan neighbours) do not have sufficient access (provided by the state) to shelter, clean water, basic health care or food. There are volunteers and NGOs who try to make up for the incompetence of the state. The situation is similar or worse in other transit countries, but I have not personally witnessed it.

By the way, there is another big problem regarding the "filtering" of refugees: There are thousands that reach the Greek islands from Turkey, and the Greek state does not have the capacity to do a basic filtering. Everyone (legitimate refugee, opportunity immigrant or even IS terrorist) is buffered to the mainland (and left to fend for themselves, more or less).
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Put yourself in their situation; what would you do?
Would you live in Croatia?
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Yes I would, even more so if I was a refugee... Dam', I would also live in Greece if I had the opportunity...A bit patronizing, aren't you?

A good proportion of them are not real refugees, let's be honest at least for a moment since this all scandal began...But hey, all those countries actually enjoy their poor reputation, trust me... And they are right, it is not worth going over their way to be hospitable in these terms, neither to make the West look at them differently.
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logical if you think. You have the right to want the best............bla bla
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How does your "want" become a "right" ???
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Old 16.01.2016, 12:25
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I won't.

Charity is an individual's business not the government's. A government is sworn to protect and serve its OWN people....
And there was me thinking the groan was for the irregular noun.

It is a government's first duty to protect and serve its own people, not it's only duty. A government has a duty to represent the will of the people - if the will of the people is to help those in need, then it is absolutely correct for governments to be involved. The European governments are already massively involved in aid in the camps in Turkey and the Lebanon. (Of course, there's a lot of self-interest as well - stopping the beastly foreigners spoiling our countryside).

And what you mean by "own people" - citizens, temporary residents, resident aliens?

Shall we abolish the UNHCR, and all government level altruistic programs?
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Seems to me the enforcement of a 20-year-old Swiss law would be better described as Debt Bondage.

Debt bondage (also known as debt slavery or bonded labour) is a person's pledge of their labour or services as security for the repayment for a debt or other obligation.”
How is this any different than requiring Swiss citizens to pay back any social aid received?

If anything, it's far more lenient towards the immigrants.

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And there was me thinking the groan was for the irregular noun.

It is a government's first duty to protect and serve its own people, not it's only duty. A government has a duty to represent the will of the people - if the will of the people is to help those in need, then it is absolutely correct for governments to be involved.
I suppose you've convinced yourself that the majority of the people want this massive immigration in their countries and that they are happy with what their governments are doing, right? Time for a reality check.

Where is the referendum, public poll or consensus surveys to prove that? All of Europe is in crisis right now and only an idiot would whistle happy on his/her own bubble.

We've opened the doors and allowed a demographic invasion of epical proportions from people whose ethical standards, education and culture is centuries behind our own.

The rapes, groping and high crime rates you witnessed is only what made it through from police supressing those events. The true rates are scary and I am afraid 2016 will be when Europe wakes up terrified to realise what Germany has done to us.

This won't end well. Maybe you are into these kind of things so I suggest you move to Pakistan or Qatar and see how well you're received there.

This is the culture you are supporting to exist next to where your kids play and your wife walks:

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And there was me thinking the groan was for the irregular noun.

It is a government's first duty to protect and serve its own people, not it's only duty. A government has a duty to represent the will of the people - if the will of the people is to help those in need, then it is absolutely correct for governments to be involved.
I suppose you've convinced yourself that the majority of the people want this massive immigration in their countries and that they are happy with what their governments are doing, right? Time for a reality check.

Where is the referendum, public poll or consensus surveys to prove that? All of Europe is in crisis right now and only an idiot would whistle happy on his/her own bubble.

We've opened the doors and allowed a demographic invasion of epical proportions from people whose ethical standards, education and culture is centuries behind our own.

The rapes, groping and high crime rates you witnessed is only what made it through from police supressing those events. The true rates are scary and I am afraid 2016 will be when Europe wakes up terrified to realise what Germany has done to us.

This won't end well. Maybe you are into these kind of things so I suggest you move to Pakistan or Qatar and see how well you're received there.

This is the culture you are supporting to exist next to where your kids play and your family lives:
Anti-Pedophilia Bill Rejected In Pakistan As ‘Anti-Islamic’





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