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Whether you are truly an expat or not is debatable but your post above demonstrates that you can't really compare yourself to the majority of expats as none of them have the benefit of those contacts and connections.

As a Swiss who was born and grew up here your experiences can never be the same as those of somebody who moved here as an adult without any knowledge if the place irrespective of how long you lived abroad for. They truly can't.

About "can't really compare yourself to the majority of expats "


And Odile wrote "Unlike many expats here- I am truly integrated"


Looks like you are agreeing
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About "can't really compare yourself to the majority of expats "


And Odile wrote "Unlike many expats here- I am truly integrated"


Looks like you are agreeing
I put it to you that not being integrated in your own country might be quite some feat.
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Whether you are truly an expat or not is debatable but your post above demonstrates that you can't really compare yourself to the majority of expats as none of them have the benefit of those contacts and connections. Moving back here already knowing people makes integration so much easier than just turning up here as a foreigner.

As a Swiss who was born and grew up here your experiences can never be the same as those of somebody who moved here as an adult without any knowledge if the place irrespective of how long you lived abroad for. They truly can't.
I totally agree and my comment was clearly tongue and cheek. This comment was in response to Parnell asking for links and saying my 'evidence' was anecdotal- eg via real contacts her with real people.

I do notice that no-one has commented on the very real link Vertigo posted confirming what I was saying about business people here being truly concerned about the effect of the Expulsion initiative on exports and ... business. Not all truths can always be 'linked' in the real world. The link given is however very clear. Here it is again for you to discuss EconomieSuisse clearly voiced

J Marple - think about it actually. I do believe and know, that many expats who go back to their own country of birth after a lifetime abroad, can truly feel like fish out of water in their own country. Because that country has changed, and so have they. Not sure how long you've been here, and where 'back home' is- but I am pretty sure someone who has lived in several countries for most of their life would find it hard to feel totally integrated 'back home' - a point which has oftened been made here on EF by many- who don't even feel comfortable when going back just for holidays, and find they have little in common with relatives and old friends. No? And as such not being or feeling 'totally integrated', yes, in their very own country.

Strangely enough, my part of the world seems to attract many back in retirement. I have many friends here from childhood, who worked all their lives in Africa, Asia, the USA, Canana, South America... and are also now back. They are totally integrated, and yet- they also look upon many things quite differently to those who never left. For all sorts of reasons- partly because they left because they had idfferent aspirations and curiosities and thererore character and temperament- but also because of the many experiences they've had abroad. I also know several Brits here who have been here for as long as I lived in the UK- same applies to them- and they all say they could never go back to the UK now. Would you? Could you?

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I don't think so. It's just that more and more people are coming to their senses given the untenable situation with the ongoing illegal immigration into Europe and especially Germany.

It's not just on this forum, it's happening pretty much everywhere. Friends, family, workmates, online media comments, Facebook, etc.


PS: Sorry if that has been covered before, but I can't be bothered to wade through all six pages right now.

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Old 24.01.2016, 18:26
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I put it to you that not being integrated in your own country might be quite some feat.

You agree too! Happy families!
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Old 24.01.2016, 18:28
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About "can't really compare yourself to the majority of expats "


And Odile wrote "Unlike many expats here- I am truly integrated"


Looks like you are agreeing
I was agreeing. The fact that she is Swiss and has the contacts means she has more insight than your average expat on here.

I don't believe that Odile can refer to herself as an expat though which she did in her later post.
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Old 24.01.2016, 18:30
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I don't think so. It's just that more and more people are coming to their senses given the untenable with the ongoing illegal immigration into Europe and especially Germany.

It's not just on this forum, it's happening pretty much everywhere. Friends, family, workmates, online media comments, Facebook, etc.


PS: Sorry if that has covered before, but I can't be bothered to wade through all six pages right now.


illegal immigration? But they were all invited by Merkel? Do you have a source for your claim this is illegal?


You mean your "Friends, family, workmates," are also illegal immigrants
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Your GTFO is hardly very 'polite' is it? Doesn't bother me at all, but ...
Perhaps not polite but any consultation of a dictionary will tell you that there is no "insult" present. Also you posted that most Swiss business holds your opinion but have refused or been unable to demonstrate that.

Forcing foreign criminals out of this country - which incur an enormous cost to the taxpayer and to wider society - both in jail and out of jail can only be good for an economy - that and the disincentive to current migrant populations (of which the majority of this board are members) to commit future crimes can only be seen as good things for the economy - both here and in the EU for that matter.

Now to use your own device tell me where I'm going wrong.
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Old 24.01.2016, 18:34
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illegal immigration? But they were all invited by Merkel? Do you have a source for your claim this is illegal?


You mean your "Friends, family, workmates," are also illegal immigrants
Oh, lets divert the gist of what he says to some linguistic wrangling about legalities.

Point taken that people are just more open about their opinions nowadays, period.
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I totally agree and my comment was clearly tongue and cheek. This comment was in response to Parnell asking for links and saying my 'evidence' was anecdotal- eg via real contacts her with real people.

I do notice that no-one has commented on the very real link Vertigo posted confirming what I was saying about business people here being truly concerned about the effect of the Expulsion initiative on exports and ... business. Not all truths can always be 'linked' in the real world. The link given is however very clear. Here it is again for you to discuss EconomieSuisse clearly voiced
I can't comment on the link as I haven't had time to read it ( since it's in German so takes some time to translate and understand) but the tongue in cheek aspect of your post was clearly lost on me. Your 'contacts' do clearly give you more insight than the 'average Joe' expat.

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illegal immigration? But they were all invited by Merkel? Do you have a source for your claim this is illegal?
Judge: Merkel Committed Historic Breach Of Law In Opening Borders, Constitution Allows ‘Right To Resist’
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Perhaps not polite but any consultation of a dictionary will tell you that there is no "insult" present. Also you posted that most Swiss business holds your opinion but have refused or been unable to demonstrate that.

Forcing foreign criminals out of this country - which incur an enormous cost to the taxpayer and to wider society - both in jail and out of jail can only be good for an economy - that and the disincentive to current migrant populations (of which the majority of this board are members) to commit future crimes can only be seen as good things for the economy - both here and in the EU for that matter.

Now to use your own device tell me where I'm going wrong.
Have you read the initiative? They would be expulsed after they serve their prison sentence! And also the link to the letter from the PLR to Oskar Frysinger- Swiss Law allows for expulsion NOW- there is no need for new legislation that puts exports and bilaterals into jeopardy- at all. What is the point of providing links if you don't read them and take them on board. Truly?
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Allowing to resist does not mean "having to resist". Merkel is stupid at many levels but did nothing illegal. It's a report by the CSU, they are doing everything they can to get her out of office. Please don't give up critical thinking just because you happen to agree with something on the internet.
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About "can't really compare yourself to the majority of expats "


And Odile wrote "Unlike many expats here- I am truly integrated"


Looks like you are agreeing
'Unlike many expats here- I am truly integrated'

exactly, the words were very carefully chosen for double-entendre perhaps you've been out of the uk too long to get the nuance

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Allowing to resist does not mean "having to resist". Merkel is stupid at many levels but did nothing illegal. It's a report by the CSU, they are doing everything they can to get her out of office. Please don't give up critical thinking just because you happen to agree with something on the internet.
I thought crossing borders without papers like that was illegal. If so, by encouraging it, was she not also an accessory to it? How different was she from people smugglers?

Oh, is she above the law?
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I thought crossing borders without papers like that was illegal.
Give up fallacies, it's just not funny.

Having a law about asylum and stating clearly that it will be respected can't be illegal because an existing law can't be illegal.

You don't like Merkel? Become German and vote against her. In the meantime, she's just doing a job (pun intended).
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Flipping Nora, this is hard work

Watching 'on Your Majesty's Secret Service' which I witnessed being filmed when on my last ski trip here, aged 17- before I left for London, a lifetime ago. Would love to know what I did with the autographs I got from Diana Rigg and Lazenby then- we used to ski between the crew on the Männlichen!

Leave you to it.
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Allowing to resist does not mean "having to resist". Merkel is stupid at many levels but did nothing illegal. It's a report by the CSU, they are doing everything they can to get her out of office.
It's not a report by the CSU. The author, Udo di Fabio, is a highly respected member of the Federal constitutional court.

Have a look at the following source (in German): Person der Woche: Udo di Fabio: Der Richter der Kanzlerin

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the autographs I got from Diana Rigg
Get a picture of her from that time, you'll keep your target members quiet for a while.
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It's not a report by the CSU. The author, Udo di Fabio, is a highly respected member of the Federal constitutional court.

Have a look at the following source (in German): Person der Woche: Udo di Fabio: Der Richter der Kanzlerin
Why don't you quote this part of your link?
Do you see it now?

Ausgerechnet der Freistaat Bayern (also die CSU-Regierung) hat das brisante Gutachten beauftragt
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