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Old 02.03.2016, 12:45
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Bellinzona: trial on ISIS cell discussion

Here we go

I don't know if you know what I am talking about so I Will say what we know so far.

4 Iraqi nationals are accused of being part of a terrorist organization (Islamic State)

The leader is also accused of abusing of Swiss healthcare to recover from a injury, (he claims the IS shot him, while he is accused of being a IS members and probaly shot by curds/syrian army/rebels.

They are accused of trying to organize a terrorist attacck in Switzerland.

Bellinzona center is close to traffic and 100 policemen are deployed, the federal court entrance is guarded by Police SWAT armed with machine Guns and assault rifles, there are also snipers on the roofs.

The 4 Iraqi nationals are not cooperating with the court.

The cell leader risk up to 7 years jail time (-2 years*)
The other 3 risk up to 5 years prison (-2 years*)

Deportation is unlikely to happen due to human rights.

Edit: There is a interception of the cell leader calling the Swiss "infidels dogs" because of Swiss troops killing 5 talibans in Afghanistan. The suspect says it was a mistake and the troops were americans, but tough they were Swiss since he saw them in a Swiss TV channel.

*They have been in prison for 2 years for security reasons.

Sorry for any grammar or English errore I can't write with Phones

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Re: Bellinzona: trial on ISIS cell discussion

According to tagesanzeiger.ch (article in german) no hard evidence has been found: No plans, no materials needed for a bomb, no weapons, nada. The executive order by the Bundesrat that explicitly forbids the IS was issued sometime late in 2014, thus probably after the four were imprisoned in which case it doesn't apply. It seems the prosecution relies solely on surveillance data, including the claim that they were using codes in their words.

On the one hand the state should not need to wait until after the act, but on the other hand there are fundamental rights such as free speech. So far it seems only speech has been used, and not in a manner that would qualify the Rassismusartikel.

For me this reeks of thought control. I'm leaning against prosecution being allowed to act this early.
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I think we could give them to the Americans and ask them to take them back to Iraq for us.
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