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I read about this that happened on Thursday in Lucern.

http://lenews.ch/2016/04/18/handsome...-full-of-cash/

It's nice to hear a story like this but I had no idea that you had to report something to the police that you have found which has a value of more than 10 CHF

Is this a new ruling or has it always been the case?
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Old 21.04.2016, 13:57
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I think its sad that they need a law for a.) handing something in and b.) rewarding someone for handing something in.

Don't people feel they can do something nice like this without it having to be written into law?
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Re: Handsome reward

The law was always there, Swiss law requires anyone who finds something that is clearly worth more than 10 francs to report it to the police (article 720B of the Swiss civil code) and hand it in, either directly to the owner, to the relevant lost and found service, or to the police.
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Re: Handsome reward

I agree Tom and I would have thought that a decent society like Switzerland this was not required but I had no idea that this was actually the law.

This is the first time I have heard about such a law. I wonder if this is common knowledge.
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This is the first time I have heard about such a law. I wonder if this is common knowledge.

It most likely is to anyone who grew up and went so school here, we got this taught at school in Staatskunde (civics?).

It is also law to pay an appropriate reward to the finder....tho' there is no law about how much this is, common opinion is 10% of the monetary worth of the found thing.


Albeit in German, a really good article from consumer Magazine BEOBACHTER

http://www.beobachter.ch/justiz-beho...n-bekommt-man/
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I think its sad that they need a law for a.) handing something in and b.) rewarding someone for handing something in.

Don't people feel they can do something nice like this without it having to be written into law?
I'll be honest: Yes, if I find a wallet with a lot of documents, bank cards and what not in it is it a no-brainer that I'll hand it in. But it still takes a law, because I think everyone will have a limit at which he is tempted to keep what he found. Being in a financially relatively comfortable situation means my limit is probably higher than somebody who earns much less, but well: If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? At what amount would you do so? I think that 7k CHF are a lot of money for a lot of people...
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...If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? ....
No, because I'd be worried the mob would find it was me...
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I'll be honest: Yes, if I find a wallet with a lot of documents, bank cards and what not in it is it a no-brainer that I'll hand it in. But it still takes a law, because I think everyone will have a limit at which he is tempted to keep what he found. Being in a financially relatively comfortable situation means my limit is probably higher than somebody who earns much less, but well: If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? At what amount would you do so? I think that 7k CHF are a lot of money for a lot of people...
I would hand it in - without thinking - and without expecting a reward.

I actually find it quite offensive that you are suggesting that people less well off than you would be more likely to keep (steal) the money.
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Being in a financially relatively comfortable situation means my limit is probably higher than somebody who earns much less, but well: If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? At what amount would you do so? I think that 7k CHF are a lot of money for a lot of people...

I am, what is officially considered poor and we are living below the breadline! (and no, not living off the social, IV or any such thing!)

I found a few things in my time, but would never have dreamed of keeping it and always handed it over to the Fundbüro at the police station. Taught the same to my girls as well.

My personal conscience and honesty is more important to me, than a wad of cash or whatever riches one may imagine.

Your post suggests to me, that because I have not much, I am predestined to steal ???? Please tell me, i am understanding your post completely wrong and it wasn't meant that way.
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I actually find it quite offensive that you are suggesting that people less well off than you would be more likely to keep (steal) the money.


I honestly don't care a bit weather you are offended or not. And while we are at it: Keeping something you find is in my eyes not at all the same as stealing. One thing happens by chance and the other requires criminal intent. And no, I do not say that people less well off are more likely to have criminal intentions.


All I am is a realist: If I find a wallet with 7k will I give it back. If I find a suitcase with 100k in it am I likely to hand it in, but it will be tempting to keep it. And yes, there will be some amount at which point it would be life changing and really really tempting. I frankly don't believe anyone who says he'd never even consider it... but hey, it's the EF, so lets get on with your holy mission...
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No, because I'd be worried the mob would find it was me...
Right. And the mob would love you for handing it to the cops?
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even consider it... but hey, it's the EF, so lets get on with your holy mission...
Surprise, surprise sunshine. You've just discovered that other people have moral standards that differ from your own.

And when the hell did you decide that yours were the gold standard?
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I'll be honest: Yes, if I find a wallet with a lot of documents, bank cards and what not in it is it a no-brainer that I'll hand it in. But it still takes a law, because I think everyone will have a limit at which he is tempted to keep what he found. Being in a financially relatively comfortable situation means my limit is probably higher than somebody who earns much less, but well: If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? At what amount would you do so? I think that 7k CHF are a lot of money for a lot of people...
Just saw on tv the other day a test with a hidden camera in US. A guy has bank notes fixed all over his clothes and a sign saying take what you need. Guess who took the most money - all the well off business people. One stuck up woman filled her handbag and when confronted said she had an appointment for her nails. 7k is a lot of money and the person who has lost it probably needs it more than me. But in general I would trust the less well off than the greedy ever wanting more well off.
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Re: Handsome reward

I found CHF 90 on a path a couple years ago.

The cops were surprised that at I handed it in.

If no claim in two years, it's mine!

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I found CHF 90 on a path a couple years ago.

The cops were surprised that at I handed it in.

If no claim in two years, it's mine!

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Keeping something you find is in my eyes not at all the same as stealing. One thing happens by chance and the other requires criminal intent.
Keeping something you find still requires intent. You don't "accidentally" put the briefcase full of money in your apartment.

Additionally, as noted in the first few comments on this thread, it is illegal not to turn it in.

Thus, criminal intent.
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It most likely is to anyone who grew up and went so school here, we got this taught at school in Staatskunde (civics?).

It is also law to pay an appropriate reward to the finder....tho' there is no law about how much this is, common opinion is 10% of the monetary worth of the found thing.


Albeit in German, a really good article from consumer Magazine BEOBACHTER

http://www.beobachter.ch/justiz-beho...n-bekommt-man/
Ha ha, didn't know it was written in the law that they should reward people for handing in the things they found. I almost felt offended when I handed in a wallet to an older man (I have noticed he dropped it on the floor in a Coop) and he wanted to reward me with a banknote of 10 or 20 chf .....
My theory is that whoever does it they do not do it for a reward. (not that they wouldn't need a reward, mind)

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Keeping something you find still requires intent. You don't "accidentally" put the briefcase full of money in your apartment.

Additionally, as noted in the first few comments on this thread, it is illegal not to turn it in.

Thus, criminal intent.
Prove it! That is the suitcase my son found and he sat it down I was meaning to ring and inquire but forgot, there was nver any intent to keep it.
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Just saw on tv the other day a test with a hidden camera in US. A guy has bank notes fixed all over his clothes and a sign saying take what you need. Guess who took the most money - all the well off business people. One stuck up woman filled her handbag and when confronted said she had an appointment for her nails. 7k is a lot of money and the person who has lost it probably needs it more than me. But in general I would trust the less well off than the greedy ever wanting more well off.
Bet they were Swiss .... probably worked for one of the swiss banks who are being done for fraud and tax evasion ....greed seems to be part of there genes here
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