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Re: Geneva to get 'café fellatio' by end of year

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That's a lot! 312 for every 100k inhabitants! 80 Why there are so many prostitutes in CH ?!? Do the Swiss have sexual problems?? (serious question)
Is it a lot, compared to other places for which there are hard numbers?

Do we know for a fact that it is (mostly) the Swiss who partake of this service?

I believe there are also proportionately more rare classic cars here than pretty much anywhere else, does this mean that the Swiss have a problem with modern automotive technology?
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That's a lot! 312 for every 100k inhabitants! 80 Why there are so many prostitutes in CH ?!? Do the Swiss have sexual problems?? (serious question)
It's not just the Swiss who use the prostitutes here, many internationally-travelling businessmen do, as well as people from neighbouring countries.

And what do you mean by "sexual problems"? The Swiss have a proportionally high number of good looking people in excellent health. Commitment problem, maybe...
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That's a lot! 312 for every 100k inhabitants! Why there are so many prostitutes in CH ?!? Do the Swiss have sexual problems?? (serious question)
Yes, indeed :/

But it's unclear to me if it's people or jobs. Many are eastern Europeans, often with a 3-month permitless stay(which is perfectly legal for EU citizens); in these cases one job equates to 4 people. As ususal, reality probably lies somewhere in between the extremes. But even 10k (pick your number) is still a lot.

With that said, perhaps with the exception of Sweden where prostitution seems to be legal now, Swiss numbers are probably much more precise than most anywhere else because sexworkers that are here legally have no reason to hide. Compare that to countries that don't even require registration of residency.

One other problem is that sexwork is still considered "unsittlich"(immoral ?). As a consequence any kind of arrangement that otherwise would constitute a valid contract is non-enforcible. So if you cheat a prostitute s/he can't even sue you.
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Old 04.08.2016, 16:56
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That's a lot! 312 for every 100k inhabitants! Why there are so many prostitutes in CH ?!? Do the Swiss have sexual problems?? (serious question)
I've heard stories of many brothels closing down, so we probably have too many prostitutes in CH at present, trying to take advantage of the strong franc in what is a saturated market post the 2008 crash.

As for sexual dysfunction, if the stories one hears are correct, yes after a fashion. Switzerland is very conservative and sexist compared to much of Western Europe and one of the dynamics that I've heard of is the traditional Swiss marriage. Heidi and Reto meet, fall in love and discover no bad debts in each other's financial history. So they get married, have a kid, have a second kid and... that's it... no more sex.

That appears to be the complaint, that wives refuse sex after two kids and so the husband makes do with a brothel for the rest of his life, as it's much cheaper than divorce.

No idea how accurate this rather pessimistic assessment of Swiss marriages is, but I've heard of it more than once over a few Stanges.
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I've heard stories of many brothels closing down, so we probably have too many prostitutes in CH at present, trying to take advantage of the strong franc in what is a saturated market post the 2008 crash.
That may just as well be a consequence of the increased bureaucracy mentioned in the interview.

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As so many other things, the details are determined by the Kanton. Zürich's liberal laws don't apply to Appenzell or Schwyz.
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Old 04.08.2016, 17:17
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That appears to be the complaint, that wives refuse sex after two kids
So this doesn't happen everywhere?
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Old 04.08.2016, 17:17
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That's a lot! 312 for every 100k inhabitants! Why there are so many prostitutes in CH ?!? Do the Swiss have sexual problems?? (serious question)
Assuming the market potential is largely (but not exclusively I agree) restricted to men aged roughly 20 to 70 that's actually something like a potential 100 customers each in total. Either there's a very high proportion of users or those that use must be doing so pretty frequently.

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Do we know for a fact that it is (mostly) the Swiss who partake of this service?
No idea...although given the level of Swiss wages and prices in general I can't imagine too many people cross the border to sample the Swiss product.
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Old 04.08.2016, 17:26
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Re: Geneva to get 'café fellatio' by end of year

Any restrictations on immigration due to MEI may impact this café - I can't imagine many Swiss will be "working" there.
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Old 04.08.2016, 17:33
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So this doesn't happen everywhere?
I don't know. As I said, it's hearsay; the only reason I would not dismiss it out of hand is that I've heard it more than once and have known one of the poor unfortunates in such a marriage. I've never heard similar stories in other countries.
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Re: Geneva to get 'café fellatio' by end of year

Genuine questions: Is it that difficult for straight people to get oral sex that a commercial offer would be welcomed? Aren't there apps for straight casual sex to sort that out in a friendly way?
Be gentle with me, I have no idea about straight sex.
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Genuine questions: Is it that difficult for straight people to get oral sex that a commercial offer would be welcomed? Aren't there apps for straight casual sex to sort that out in a friendly way?
Be gentle with me, I have no idea about straight sex.
About the apps:
There were a few tries at such apps, and then you have a few people who sign up and groan about how everybody is only looking for sex, but they are looking for their soulmate, prince charming, etc. And then you have more and more of those people signing up, and the original intent for the app is gone.
Also, if you are married, it is probably more of a liability to have a situation where your affair could develop feelings for you and try to sabotage your marriage or blackmail you.
(Not married, not even hearsay, just my thoughts)
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Old 04.08.2016, 18:08
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Genuine questions: Is it that difficult for straight people to get oral sex that a commercial offer would be welcomed? Aren't there apps for straight casual sex to sort that out in a friendly way?
Grindr for straight people has long been the holy grail of the app industry...

Reality is sexual goals differ between men and women on a biological level. Anthropologically men seek sex as often as possible with as many partners as possible for evolutionary reasons, women instead get pregnant, so having a relationship (with a man who will hunt and bring back a slab of juicy mammoth stake) is a much greater priority.

It's been an age-long dance where men seek sex and women seek commitment and they trade one for the other - as the old saying goes; marriage is the price men pay for sex, sex is the price women pay for marriage.

As such, what you're suggesting only works where both parties have the same NSA goal in an encounter which the vast majority of time is men - hence the success of Grindr. Lesbian equivalents like Her tend to focus more on women seeking relationships (although they statistically do have more NSA activity than hetero apps). Hetero apps have their own ecosystem where commitment and sex are traded in what we euphemistically call romance.

Of course men will often seek commitment and women sex too, but in general this is how it works, as a result unless you can work that 'trade' into your straight Grindr app, you're out of luck.

I reckon such an app would work if humans were oviparous.
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Re: Geneva to get 'café fellatio' by end of year

It's weird to me: If the app is about casual sex, why would people looking for soul mate and prince charming even go there?

Even weirder to me: Why would a wife expect the husband not to go for sex somewhere else if there is no sex in the relationship? I don't see what there is to blackmail.

I am aware of the fact that the concept of open relationship is more common in the gay world, but why would a woman be angry about subletting the sex duty to another one if she doesn't want to do it herself?
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Re: Geneva to get 'café fellatio' by end of year

That's just hetero life in a nutshell: a never ending contradiction

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It's weird to me: If the app is about casual sex, why would people looking for soul mate and prince charming even go there?

Even weirder to me: Why would a wife expect the husband not to go for sex somewhere else if there is no sex in the relationship? I don't see what there is to blackmail.

I am aware of the fact that the concept of open relationship is more common in the gay world, but why would a woman be angry about subletting the sex duty to another one if she doesn't want to do it herself?
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It's weird to me: If the app is about casual sex, why would people looking for soul mate and prince charming even go there?
They don't. There's been a few tries but they've failed as only men signed up.
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Even weirder to me: Why would a wife expect the husband not to go for sex somewhere else if there is no sex in the relationship? I don't see what there is to blackmail.
Because the law tells her she can. Monogamy is still expected in marriage and often used as a reason for divorce (even no fault divorce), but congeal rights are no longer legally recognized. Reverse can also be true - the husband with the mistress who loses it when he finds his wife with another man, for example. People are often selfish.
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I am aware of the fact that the concept of open relationship is more common in the gay world, but why would a woman be angry about subletting the sex duty to another one if she doesn't want to do it herself?
The impression I get is that they often are, as long as it's never openly discussed - Vizi privati, pubbliche virtů.
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That's just hetero life in a nutshell: a never ending contradiction
Poor you. You have all my sympathy. Time for a straight sexual revolution, perhaps?

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Grindr for straight people has long been the holy grail of the app industry...

Reality is sexual goals differ between men and women on a biological level.
Grindr is only the tip of the iceberg, there is much more for specific public and different types. The big ones are a mix of social media, phone book and hook up site, with kink and flowers side to side.

I've talked enough about sex with women to confirm a different side of the story too: the ones talking are definitely complaining of lack of good sex, whatever that means to them. Even as serial monogamist, one need to change partner more often than work and bar cruising can supply new partners, or am I wrong? Remember, this is all abstract to me.

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They don't. There's been a few tries but they've failed as only men signed up.
I've been told women liberation totally changed society, was I lied to?
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It's weird to me: If the app is about casual sex, why would people looking for soul mate and prince charming even go there?

Even weirder to me: Why would a wife expect the husband not to go for sex somewhere else if there is no sex in the relationship? I don't see what there is to blackmail.

I am aware of the fact that the concept of open relationship is more common in the gay world, but why would a woman be angry about subletting the sex duty to another one if she doesn't want to do it herself?
What Aeneas and Felipe said
Also being a simple man, there is no way I'd dare to understand what goes on inside a complex married woman's mind
Also, to come back to your original questions, and to the original topic (sort of) apparently a prostitute's earnings are highest when she is between 20 and 25 years old, being most attractive then.
Maybe that also plays a role, if you're 60, married, and not Hugh Hefner, what are your chances of finding a 25 year old young person who is genuinely interested in casual sex with you? Chances are higher that it would work for money.
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Maybe that also plays a role, if you're 60, married, and not Hugh Hefner, what are your chances of finding a 25 year old young person who is genuinely interested in casual sex with you? Chances are higher that it would work for money.
What? You don't have a Daddy-sex app for straight people?
Weird.
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Well, Tinder was originally meant as a casual hookup app. Now it's just another regular superficial dating app.

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What? You don't have a Daddy-sex app for straight people?
Weird.
Such good ideas, how about we create one? We'll become richhh
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I've talked enough about sex with women to confirm a different side of the story too: the ones talking are definitely complaining of lack of good sex, whatever that means to them.
People talk a lot, but often do little. There's also still a lot of stigma against women who are 'quick to bed' - most of which originates from other women.
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