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Is Switzerland anti-muslim?

Hi all,
I live in Switzerland since september 2008. I feel strangely wierd when I see banners all around the city angrily expressing anti-islamism. If I werent a muslim, believe me, sincerelly, I would feel bad about these happenings though.
I want you to comment about. Is the religion in Switzerland the best element or tool to achieve political goals in the country?

p.s. : for reference I would recommend to read The Federal Constitution of the Swiss Confederation
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Re: Is swiss so anti-muslim?

Welcome to the forum! I don't quite understand what you're saying yet I feel confident that there are other relevant threads that have discussed much of what you're trying to say - search for minarets or SVP posters.

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Re: Is swiss so anti-muslim?

Search the forum. Similar topics have been discussed many times.

Mosques with or without Minaret?

Wearing a burka in Switzerland

What do you know about Islam?

Racism is widespread in Switzerland
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Re: Is swiss so anti-muslim?

Europeans have strived to decrease the power Christianity had over one's daily life. Just as they have managed to make Christianity something of an individual choice, they are now noticing the influx of devout Muslims and the power the religion has over its believers. It's like starting the battle all over again.

My take for the moment.
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Hi all,
I live in Switzerland since september 2008. I feel strangely wierd when I see banners all around the city angrily expressing anti-islamism. If I werent a muslim, believe me, sincerelly, I would feel bad about these happenings though.
I want you to comment about. Is the religion in Switzerland the best element or tool to achieve political goals in the country?

p.s. : for reference I would recommend to read The Federal Constitution of the Swiss Confederation
No, I don't think that he Swiss are anti Islam per say. (Or is it Per Se?)

I just think that the Swiss are fairly rigid in their social conventions. I think you will find that they like anyone with lots of money and are very flexible when it comes to business. This country seems to take business very seriously and is very welcoming to anyone that furthers that aim. If this wasn't true then there wouldn't be any foreigners here. And I thought I read on this site that 30% of the population are Auslanders.

I think the other thing you must consider is where in the CH you are. Some areas are far more nationalistic than others. This holds true in Germany, France, Great Britain, the USA, and so on and so forth.

Please contradict or correct me if I am wrong in any of this.

Although I don't always agree with the Swiss way of doing things, I do recognise a thread of internal consistency in the way things work around here. I don't always like where it leads. But one can respect the rigor of the logic used even if one doesn't always agree with it.

Sometimes, I cringe when I am exposed to some of the social beliefs that are considered axiomatic in this country. But, if you came to my country (USA) you would rapidly discover many social tenets that are, in my mind, uncomfortable for civilised people to contemplate let alone act upon. Just remember, "Where ever you go, there you are."

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search is available to those who have and have not signed up.

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Old 10.11.2009, 14:30
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Cue the groan from nobody_important for pointing this out
To be fair to the OP, as a newbie titles like "Minerets" and "Burka" aren't exactly indicative of a discussion on Islamaphobia in Switzerland... in fact typing "islamaphobia" brings up zero results
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Re: Is swiss so anti-muslim?

http://www.englishforum.ch/search.php?searchid=2891493

for anyone looking when the search expires, the word is simply "muslim". It's in the OP and it's in many threads.
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Re: Is swiss so anti-muslim?

"Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." by Recep Tayyip Erdogan,Prime Minister of Turkey.That is why the swiss are cautious about minarets initiative
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"Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." by Recep Tayyip Erdogan,Prime Minister of Turkey.That is why the swiss are cautious about minarets initiative
have you a context for this alleged quote?
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"Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." by Recep Tayyip Erdogan,Prime Minister of Turkey.That is why the swiss are cautious about minarets initiative
Most google searches lead to swiss websites in favour of banning minarets. Funny. Even the wiki page for the swiss minaret controversy lists this quote as a favourite of pro-ban types.

Still searching for original context; doubt the poster will give us any further info.
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"Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." by Recep Tayyip Erdogan,Prime Minister of Turkey.That is why the swiss are cautious about minarets initiative
Looks like Bertrands comment is not only true for Switzerland. BTW, Erdogan has publicly taken this statement back. (And I still put him in the same category as Berlusconi)
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Most google searches lead to swiss websites in favour of banning minarets. Funny.

Still searching for context; doubt the poster will give us any further info.
Context: here.

The gentleman was convicted for religious hatred when he stated this one...
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He is speaking for his country...nothing to say about it...he can speak whatever he wants...he does whatever he wants....can you do that here?
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Re: Is swiss so anti-muslim?

Regardless, the quote of a single individual to support an issue and constitutional change! Goes to show that they have no substance based on Muslims in CH.

I could give some choice quotes from the previous and current Pope.
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Re: Is swiss so anti-muslim?

I'm fundamentally against bans, and advocate freedom of speech. However, I'm clearly against the fact that the red lines of Swiss democracy are crossed like this and that a specific group like the Muslims are attacked in such an impious way
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Re: Is swiss so anti-muslim?

Just opened my bible (The New American Bible) and found this quote (job 20)

God shall send gainst him the fury of his wrath
and rain down his missles of war upon him.
Should he escape the iron weapon,
the box of bronze shall pierce him through
he dart shall come out of his back
terrors shall fall him

(it continues with more text and then ends with)
This is the portion of a wicked man, and the heritage appointed him by God.

The Christian bible is very violent and aggressive. I don't think it's fair to quote other religions and then turn a blind eye to Christian bibles.

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