Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Swiss politics/news
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03.05.2007, 09:43
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Appenzell
Posts: 5,904
Groaned at 108 Times in 94 Posts
Thanked 2,195 Times in 1,317 Posts
DaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputation
Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Yippee, at long last the net book agreement, which artificially keeps high the price of books will end in german-speaking Switzerland. Before anyone starts bemoaning the effect on small bookshops, I am pretty sure that the effect of liberalisation (having sold books myself) will allow the smaller shops to compete more fairly and leaving the big dumpers like Borders (if they ever venture here) to concentrate on mass markets.

dave
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03.05.2007, 09:46
Polorise's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: about there
Posts: 3,006
Groaned at 33 Times in 33 Posts
Thanked 2,325 Times in 1,259 Posts
Polorise has a reputation beyond reputePolorise has a reputation beyond reputePolorise has a reputation beyond reputePolorise has a reputation beyond reputePolorise has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Quote:
View Post
Yippee, at long last the net book agreement, which artificially keeps high the price of books will end in german-speaking Switzerland. Before anyone starts bemoaning the effect on small bookshops, I am pretty sure that the effect of liberalisation (having sold books myself) will allow the smaller shops to compete more fairly and leaving the big dumpers like Borders (if they ever venture here) to concentrate on mass markets.

dave
am sure this will not stop Staufacher from charging outrageous prices for English language books ....
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03.05.2007, 09:54
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Appenzell
Posts: 5,904
Groaned at 108 Times in 94 Posts
Thanked 2,195 Times in 1,317 Posts
DaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputation
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Even though they charge MWSt on books , they still are overpriced in this country. 21.90chf for a 6.99GBP book ? In germany, I have seen books actually cheaper than the UK RRP !

Quote:
View Post
am sure this will not stop Staufacher from charging outrageous prices for English language books ....
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03.05.2007, 10:39
dawiz's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 2,377
Groaned at 66 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,215 Times in 677 Posts
dawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Quote:
View Post
am sure this will not stop Staufacher from charging outrageous prices for English language books ....
the agreement never included English language books - only those in German.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03.05.2007, 10:43
spmull06's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Boston, MA, USA
Posts: 491
Groaned at 7 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts
spmull06 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

They've been talking about this for quite some time. My mother-in-law works in a bookstore, so I've heard a lot of complaining about it since last summer. It really reached a peak a couple of months ago when it became obvious that this would happen. She really seems to believe she's going to lose her job. We'll see what happens.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03.05.2007, 10:55
dawiz's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 2,377
Groaned at 66 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,215 Times in 677 Posts
dawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Quote:
View Post
They've been talking about this for quite some time. My mother-in-law works in a bookstore, so I've heard a lot of complaining about it since last summer. It really reached a peak a couple of months ago when it became obvious that this would happen. She really seems to believe she's going to lose her job. We'll see what happens.
Small bookshops will certainly face new challenges because larger retailers will be able to offer books at lower prices. But nobody keeps smaller shops from working together and thus achieving larger purchase volumes.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03.05.2007, 11:29
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Appenzell
Posts: 5,904
Groaned at 108 Times in 94 Posts
Thanked 2,195 Times in 1,317 Posts
DaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputation
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

..then its even more outrageous !
dave


Quote:
View Post
the agreement never included English language books - only those in German.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03.05.2007, 11:45
spmull06's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Boston, MA, USA
Posts: 491
Groaned at 7 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts
spmull06 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Quote:
View Post
Small bookshops will certainly face new challenges because larger retailers will be able to offer books at lower prices. But nobody keeps smaller shops from working together and thus achieving larger purchase volumes.
I'm not against the liberalization, I'm in favor of it.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03.05.2007, 11:53
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Appenzell
Posts: 5,904
Groaned at 108 Times in 94 Posts
Thanked 2,195 Times in 1,317 Posts
DaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputation
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

There are many ways that smaller bookshops can compete. Books are not just commodities. Consider:

book readings
topical promotions
local appeal
book clubs
knowledgable staff
annotated book recommendation (see books etc. for a good demonstration of this)
coffee shop atmosphere
Personal service
niche sales (sports, women, christian, computer)

...as ways in which the small guy can compete. I lurve small bookshops

On another note the huge bookshop in the Sihlcity has little stock for a large sqm premises. It probably got free rent for a couple of years and i suspect it will find it difficult beyond that to maintain a profit...

dave



Quote:
View Post
I'm not against the liberalization, I'm in favor of it.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03.05.2007, 12:00
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Züri Oberland
Posts: 4,904
Groaned at 233 Times in 155 Posts
Thanked 4,615 Times in 1,771 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Quote:
View Post
There are many ways that smaller bookshops can compete. Books are not just commodities. Consider:

book readings
topical promotions
local appeal
book clubs
knowledgable staff
annotated book recommendation (see books etc. for a good demonstration of this)
coffee shop atmosphere
Personal service
niche sales (sports, women, christian, computer)

...as ways in which the small guy can compete. I lurve small bookshops
<snip>
Mmmmmmm. All nice ideas that add to overheads and work load of small bookshops. Then the punters actually buy their books where it's cheapest.

Same thing has happened to small specialist retailers in every trade throughout the world. Lower prices = less choice. It's inevitable but sad...
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03.05.2007, 12:08
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Appenzell
Posts: 5,904
Groaned at 108 Times in 94 Posts
Thanked 2,195 Times in 1,317 Posts
DaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputation
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

I don't agree. These nice ideas are promotion designed to either get them through the door, or to get them to feel part of something.

If I find the book I am looking for and receive help from the staff, I will give them my custom unless the premium does not represent sufficient value-added.

This is particulary true if its a book for which I have an immediate desire or need, and can't be bothered to wait even the few days for an amazon delivery.

Remember too , that big stores only discount a limited range of product. I spent many hours researching the current prices being offered by bookshops and even Amazon.

You don't even try and compete on price except on a very narrow selection when you don't have the economy of scale.


dave

Quote:
View Post
Mmmmmmm. All nice ideas that add to overheads and work load of small bookshops. Then the punters actually buy their books where it's cheapest.

Same thing has happened to small specialist retailers in every trade throughout the world. Lower prices = less choice. It's inevitable but sad...
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03.05.2007, 12:41
Lou's Avatar
Lou Lou is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,107
Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 1,931 Times in 925 Posts
Lou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

I worked for a small chain of book retailers in Scotland when the price fixing ended there. This was a small family run business & in the run up to the change it was all doom & gloom & how are we going to survive. In the end the shops got busier & sold a lot more books. People who grudged paying £5.99 for a novel because they were not really into reading would happily pay £4.99 or £3.99 so overall turnover went up as did profits.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03.05.2007, 13:08
Nathu's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 4,863
Groaned at 18 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 2,208 Times in 1,248 Posts
Nathu has a reputation beyond reputeNathu has a reputation beyond reputeNathu has a reputation beyond reputeNathu has a reputation beyond reputeNathu has a reputation beyond reputeNathu has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Also, 1-2 book shops near my university have good contacts to it. A linguistics student can walk into the store and say "I take course X at prof Y" and the sales people will sell them the bundle of relevant literature on the spot.

I'm curious how small shops will deal with the new situation.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03.05.2007, 13:19
dawiz's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 2,377
Groaned at 66 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,215 Times in 677 Posts
dawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond reputedawiz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Quote:
View Post
Also, 1-2 book shops near my university have good contacts to it. A linguistics student can walk into the store and say "I take course X at prof Y" and the sales people will sell them the bundle of relevant literature on the spot.

Yeah, we had that here in Basel, too. A book shop called "Labyrinth" on Nadelberg always had all the course-work related reads. Unfortunately the prices were always far above what Amazon.com charged - so I usually ordered what I needed from there - which sometimes meant that I didn't get my books until a couple weeks into the semester. But being on a very tight budget I had no choice. In the end it didn't hurt my grades and I received my M.A. insigni cum laude - so for me paying less paid off :-)
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03.05.2007, 13:21
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Appenzell
Posts: 5,904
Groaned at 108 Times in 94 Posts
Thanked 2,195 Times in 1,317 Posts
DaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputation
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Compete, create a business model, or die. It's the same story in many other areas of commerce following deregulation. Considering the number of MBAs that purport to be on this forum, I'm surprise none has pitched in with some pearls of wisdom...

dave

Quote:
View Post
I'm curious how small shops will deal with the new situation.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03.05.2007, 14:37
Nickj's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Fribourg
Posts: 441
Groaned at 9 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 61 Times in 42 Posts
Nickj has made some interesting contributions
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

play.com - books at UK prices, free delivery takes 4/5 days. So books that cost £6.99 in UK can be on your doorstep for same £6.99 in a few days and no customs problems for books.

Nick.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 03.05.2007, 15:06
Uncle Max's Avatar
Mod
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Züri
Posts: 7,203
Groaned at 135 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 6,386 Times in 2,771 Posts
Uncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Quote:
View Post
I worked for a small chain of book retailers in Scotland when the price fixing ended there. This was a small family run business & in the run up to the change it was all doom & gloom & how are we going to survive. In the end the shops got busier & sold a lot more books. People who grudged paying £5.99 for a novel because they were not really into reading would happily pay £4.99 or £3.99 so overall turnover went up as did profits.
Lou, did you ever have a 'High Fidelity' moment where someone requested a book and you refused to sell it to them and threw them outta the shop for their poor taste? "Dan Brown? Get OUT! NOW!"
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 03.05.2007, 15:31
Lou's Avatar
Lou Lou is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,107
Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 1,931 Times in 925 Posts
Lou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Quote:
View Post
Lou, did you ever have a 'High Fidelity' moment where someone requested a book and you refused to sell it to them and threw them outta the shop for their poor taste? "Dan Brown? Get OUT! NOW!"
No I didn't serve customers but I did once refuse to serve someone a Glenmorangie & coke when I worked in a bar. Told him that would be sacreligious.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07.05.2007, 23:04
Ritchi's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Waldshut-Tiengen, Germany
Posts: 93
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 11 Times in 5 Posts
Ritchi has made some interesting contributions
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

The demise of the "Preisbindung" in Switzerland seems unlikely to have a knock-on effect in Germany. Knowing the margins that most booksellers work off, let alone Swiss fixed-costs (staff, premises etc.) and taking into account that it will NOT be allowed to MARKET into Germany at below the official German retail prices it does seem IMHO not probable that this will have a significant and far-reaching influence on the overall market for books. What it probably will mean is that chains/departments stores etc. will have the flexibility to offer German and French language best sellers as "enticers" (competition laws permitting) to get customers onto their premises. Discounting across the board would seem pretty fruitless given the size (small) and purchasing-power of the Swiss market. This could possibly change if, say Amazon were to open a "Swiss-only" website to which the German market would have no access. (Possible but unlikely).

The German book industry will doubtless work very hard to prevent any arbitrage operations and to defend the German "Preisbindung" which is of paramount importance.

Indeed foreign-language (i.e. english) books were in any case specifically excluded from the Net Price Agreement, yet prices for English books from Swiss offline retailers both have had to and in the future will have to reflect unchanged local fixed costs.

As an online bookseller it is not so difficult to offer english language books in a wide range at or close to or slightly lower than recommended UK prices - for as long as Swiss City costings do not apply.

All the best to all

Richard

www.english-book-service.com
International Supplier of English Language Books
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08.05.2007, 09:41
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Appenzell
Posts: 5,904
Groaned at 108 Times in 94 Posts
Thanked 2,195 Times in 1,317 Posts
DaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputationDaveA has an excellent reputation
Re: Net Book Agreement to end !!!

Don't bet the farm on it.

dave


Quote:
View Post
The demise of the "Preisbindung" in Switzerland seems unlikely to have a knock-on effect in Germany. Knowing the margins that most booksellers work off, let alone Swiss fixed-costs (staff, premises etc.) and taking into account that it will NOT be allowed to MARKET into Germany at below the official German retail prices it does seem IMHO not probable that this will have a significant and far-reaching influence on the overall market for books. What it probably will mean is that chains/departments stores etc. will have the flexibility to offer German and French language best sellers as "enticers" (competition laws permitting) to get customers onto their premises. Discounting across the board would seem pretty fruitless given the size (small) and purchasing-power of the Swiss market. This could possibly change if, say Amazon were to open a "Swiss-only" website to which the German market would have no access. (Possible but unlikely).

The German book industry will doubtless work very hard to prevent any arbitrage operations and to defend the German "Preisbindung" which is of paramount importance.

Indeed foreign-language (i.e. english) books were in any case specifically excluded from the Net Price Agreement, yet prices for English books from Swiss offline retailers both have had to and in the future will have to reflect unchanged local fixed costs.

As an online bookseller it is not so difficult to offer english language books in a wide range at or close to or slightly lower than recommended UK prices - for as long as Swiss City costings do not apply.

All the best to all

Richard

www.english-book-service.com
International Supplier of English Language Books
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Second Hand Book Store Brianb_ie Other/general 31 11.03.2012 09:45
German Language Book - Pimsleur Language, Good??? Mavis Language corner 7 18.11.2010 14:04
What website do you use to book air travel? Wednesday Transportation/driving 8 02.04.2007 22:42
New German Book Club Starting October 27, 2006 wah Social events 0 01.09.2006 16:49


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 23:06.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0