http://www.parlament.ch/d/suche/seit...ch_id=20093422


This was big in the news today. Apparently some idiots, err sorry politicians aim to ban 'killergames' in Switzerland. This after I believe half a year ago there was big talk of banning paintball!

Apart from Switzerland not having a shooting spree problem. I find it extreme hypocritical that a country who forces every male national to learn how to use a gun, has war games with real people, checks every year that they can still shoot accurately and encourages it's soldiers to keep the guns at home for a war which will never I come, really thinks computer games and paintball is the major threat our lives.


It smells of policitians making an alibi law which will bring exactly nothing to make themselves feel good that they've justified being elected. I mean what about doing something about the army guns at home which count for most household deaths?

How far would this go? Banning racing games cause it could encourage speeding, banning war films/horror films cause it could also encourage violance? Banning combat sports? Banning the media reporting about these stuff. I mean you don't want anyone getting any ideas! Banning kisses from disney films cause it increases sexual awerness among children??

Call of duty and Grand theft auto are among my favourite games. At the same time I've never fired a gun and don't plan to do so.

Of course a violent person will probably play violent games just as a speeder will play racing games and a rapist will watch porn but games and TV won't make them that way.

A ban for sales to minors yes. But for adults? Don't be stupid

Rant over I'd say

this is one bad thing with all the Germans that come over, they bring their nannystate mentality with them (and communist manifesto)

if they do just buy them online and get them sent to you, problem solved

(or nip over to france, germany, italy, austria or liechtenstein and pick them up)

an impossible thing to police.

Amen to that. All my recent games I got through Steam.

Edit: PC only that is

Er . . . what has this got to do with any Germans?

The woman proposing the law is Swiss: http://www.eviallemann.ch

In my opinion it is pointless, if those ideas are accepted then we should ban cruel movies like Saw, Scream and the other gory movies too.

Looks like we are going to live in a world like in the movie "Demolishoman"

Maybe the politicians should make more of an effort to ban weapons in the real world and categorize the gaming folk a little lower down in their scale of priorities.

"banning" has a way of snowballing... careful what you wish for...

The Council of States passed it, we'll see what happens next.

If there's one thing that I miss about the US is that all of the ratings boards (FCC, MPAA, ESRB) were separate from the government. And they didn't have the right to ban things outright. Games, movies, TV shows not rated by them had a hard time getting mainstream exposure, but actual banning by them was unheard of. Much less by the government.

It still feels weird to hear about a such-and-such government banning a film or game. It happens in Australia and Germany, and just the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach. I can't believe Switzerland is heading down this road.

There was also an idiot who tried to ban Red Bull...

Talk about the nanny state.

That same guy has since got into trouble for manipulating votes. Speaks volumes about what he really wants ....

Unfortunately they don't seem to be able to come up with something clever and therefore decide to simply copy the German system - ZENSUR/CENSORSHIP... great. EDIT: actually, it's called INDIZIERUNG, just in case..

One more reason to get all your games and DVDs from the UK.. barstewards...

Wow. If only these poor misguided politicians were as certain of their ground as you guys are.

Red Bull isn't exactly good for you!!

So are many foods in the supermarket, so what?

Maybe they should ban the bible as well then. Come on, it's full of incest, murder, adultery, genocide, infanticide, execution and mutilation after all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Red_Bull_Can_E...Review_5621207

so b6 is 250% rda
b12 is 500% rda

along with high caffeine

PER CAN (original size can, not those super size ones you can get now)

drink a couple of cans as mixers and you start asking for trouble

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...l=&oq=&gs_rfai=

its still classed as a medican in several countries because of its contents.

Still, It tastes good and wakes me up

No-one is forced to learn to use a gun anymore. They can always choose to do Civilschutz.

So I guess the Swiss politicians never followed the outcome of wanting to "ban killer games" in every other great nation around the world. Last year they were trying to do that in Germany, again...

I think some of the games released for the German market are already censored to meet German rules, Switzerland gets the censored versions just for being in the same market.

I guess if Germany does ban some games, they simply won't be make German versions any more.

True forced is no the wrong word, although theres talk of forcing them again unless they have a good excuse.

Still the point remains. The government highly recommends and really wants to teach every man how to use a gun, wants to get them used to using it in real life, wants them to practice with it once a year so that they stay accurate and wants them to keep the gun under their beds for just in case?

Which offers the bigger threat? the government giving out free guns to it's adults and teaching them how to use it or adults pressing a button on a controller to shoot a virtual enemy?

The armys guns is the most used weapon in family killings and I believe suicide as well. The biggest violent gun crimes have been done with army weapons.

The guy going home for the weekend from the army who though it would be a laugh to shoot a teenage girl and the husband who shot dead his famous former skier wife and kids spring to mind.

They've been unable topass a law to make sure all weapons and and ammo stays in the barracks but they're able to create a law which bans certain games? The mind boggles!

I also wonder how much they've know about the games. GTA IV is one of those that they want banned. At the end of the game the main character either loses the girl of his dreams or his cousin and best friend to violance. How this is glorifiying killings I'm not sure.

Then the obvious question is if they ban games what about films. Almost every horror film every made should be banned. Hostel and Saw are more violent then any game every made.

Then what about violent music and literature.

Plus I wonder how many people are influenced by footage of Hitler on history programms or by video broadcasts of terrorists leaders which are broadcast on every news programm and written in every newspaper.

My god why don't we just ban all media and censor the internet just to be sure. I mean Noth Korea seems to be pretty peaceful......

Oh and another major contribution to violance and death is alcohol. How many wifes get beat by drunk husbands, many fights and stabbings occour on the weekends by drunk people, how many people kill themselves while drunk?

Now personally it's not going to affect me any way. Most of my games I get sent over from the UK to the german border and pick them up there so I'll still be playing the games I want, and not those that I'm allowed to but still it's absurd.

I wouldn't want to be Swiss either should the law be put through.

Their top 3 biggest news items globally over the past few year would be the Swiss fight tooth and nail to keep foreign citizens dirty money,
the Swiss show religious intolerance by banning minaretts and now the Swiss censor which media it's citizens are allowed to use. Well done