I am not sure if this is a good example: Contraception and terrorism are not entirely the same: Let's say the vast majority ignore the directions given by the leader.

If somebody follows the popes recommendation, we probably have a baby. If somebody follows Gaddafis call for Jihad, we have a terrorist attack on one of the worlds least aggressive countries.

No you have to link it to the Nazis for a Godwin fail and official close.

Maybe we should create a new "all muslim is evil and terrorist" fail. How about

• Ayatollah fail
• Jihad fail
• Koran fail

could think of a few more...

oh get off your high horse. europe has seen its share of ugly sectarian violence in the last century (much worse than anything the so-called islamic world has produced in recent memory) and if you need a little lesson in recent european history you are welcome to come over anytime so i can acquaint you with pictures of relatives that died in camps or under occupation by one enlightened x-ian nation or another.

but back to gadaffi.....what a right pr*ck.

so can we close now?

Supporting the Nazis, Apartheid, various dictators around the globe, Various criminal organisations and various Tax evaders is of course a very peaceful strategy...

You don't need to be at the frontline to have blood in your hand. Please at least be honest and realistic if you are going to point the finger. lets not fool ourselves OK!

Could it be you are playing down only some cultural aspects? What do you belive the lokerbie victims and the victims of some todays fascism culture think about?

on the other hand, it is about time that leaders in the middle east began comporting themselves as world leaders instead of irresponsible clowns. the world is laughing at them and frankly it's wearing a little thin.

again?
was it really "the country"? or maybe some *******s who used the system?

All well. I will keep my point that Switzerland was one of the least agressive countries in the last centuries - at least in Europe. Even with all the points you mentioned.

If you think I am wrong, give some examples of less agressive countries. I can come up with Sweden and maybe Luxembourg but then I am out of ideas.

I was just writing a nice list of things i can think of when I got the pop-up that our discussion was deleted by a mod. Not the first time today for me, a friendly post where I told Yusuf to not take everything personally was deleted before today. Why is it actually in 90% of the cases of the last months I get one of those messages the exact same person and never one of the other ten mods?

I know the discussion was not 100% on-topic, but on an intelligent and decent level. Way better and far less controversial than at least five threads I can think of during today alone (where Mods had fun as well and joined the banter.).

my stuff was deleted too but I was just adding some humour, which is frowned upon it seems.

<off topic> our stuff got taken out Trev. I noticed another couple of posts dissapearing quicker than I could refresh... </off topic>

In that case, dear Mods, can we Ayatollah fail this thead please as the discussion is done?

See post:Libya's Gaddafi urges 'holy war' against Switzerland (#83)

Have to agree it is all Fasnacht based, the Cortege on Monday had at least 5 themed floats based on "His Excellency"...

Who's fooling who. Switzerland mobilized 430'000 troups plus 200'000 support personal when Nazi-Germany invaded Poland in 39.

http://history-switzerland.geschicht...ld-war-ii.html

You're probably refering to the gold trade. Switzerland kept its neutrality and continued trading with Nazis and Allies alike.

This is regrettable but this obviously had something to do with the fact all of surrounding Europe had been invaded

http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewik...942_map_de.png

and Switzerland was not able to support itself even back then. Food had to be rationed from 1940 to 1948:

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...20071103191647

For its tradings Switzerland paid a 250 million fine in 1946.

As to supporting various dictators, as far as I'm aware Switzerland disclosed and froze assets of Marcos and dictators alike. If providing a bank account is "supporting them" fair enough but you should also look into the countries who supported these dictators on a whole different level. Gaddafi is a dictator too and strangely seems to have a lot of friends in Europe.

A few years ago, Libya was the poster child for the Bush administration as a country that had finally understood why terrorism is wrong thanks to the enlightened preemptive war doctrine.
So Libya wasn't very sincere after all!

But seriously it is another example why apologizing to Libya was the wrong policy and actually encouraged Kadhaffi to become even more irrational.

I wonder how Great Britain is going to deal with this one that just happened:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ark-hotel.html

i think Gaddafi is getting mad day by day....he is not angry about swiss vote on minerates but he is on his son arrest in Geneva.....its a shame that politicians all over the world have taken religion as an instrument to fulfill there political ambition......belive me friends, this gaddafi dont even know the meaning of "jihad"..it means struggle..struggle against oneself and not a "holy war"

I think we all understand that Kadhafi is using the word Jihad like Kim Jong Il talks about war against imperialism. Meaningless nonsense in both cases.
It is unfortunate though and the worry is of course that some sicko tries something crazy.
It is also not helping the Muslim community in Switzerland unfortunately.

Do... do? Why should they do anything?

EDIT: correction: Why would they do anything?

Spot on. Gaddafi is seen as something of a joke in the arab-speaking countries, mainly because of the comments and antics he's come up with over the past few decades.

That's a very poor analogy considering that the pope is actually a religious figure, whereas Gaddafi is a political leader with no religious following whatsoever.

Did you notice how Gadaffi removed his millions from Swiss banks before declaring his holy war??

The men is "mentally challenged". But an idiot he is not. The Sandhurst Academy educated officer is highly intelligent, has modernized and widened public education, healthcare and other sectors of the infrastructure in his country. And in the past few years has allowed the present Prime Minister to reform the economy on a fairly "capitalist" basis. He btw. for decades was a permanent customer of the Hirschmann Group.

It is interesting to see that Messrs Bourguiba and Sadat were angry about the emotional outbursts of the Colonel, while nowadays, AbdelAziz Bouteflika, Abidine Ben-Ali and Hosni Mubarak simply ignore the outbursts and the attacks of madness and keep up contacts with the man on real terms. Khaddafi for example now built a big pipeline from Libya to one of the refineries in Alexandria. A far better deal for Libya, and very nice for Egypt.


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No, people have given up to be mad at him about his "attacks". He has done such things since the 1970ies. "giving their religion a bad name" ? Why ? What has the man to do with religion ? Who in the world did perceive GWB as a "Christian" ?

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* Not even Libyans follow his call.
* Libya is NOT a major country,
neither a major Arab nor a major Muslim country

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