You are completly right, they should have called!

Don't want to go way off topic and detract from the spirit of the thread, so am sending it per P.M.

You're funny...LOL...you don't know me on this forum...If I write I agree with someone its not to boost your ego...It's because I mean it...but anyways carry on....

It is an absolute scandal. How those in Bonstetten could hand over the boy to that father is not to be understood. I know of a comparable case in Oberglatt, but there, the authorities looked at the father (harmless in comparison in fact) and gave the son to the Brazilian mother. It is sad and really embarassing !

Take care of your son, as this is absolutely awful for him.

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Exactly!! For instance, I know of 2 women that just recently had kids...one was smoking during her pregnancy and the other one is still doing an apprenteship (thus no real income)....and none of them are married.
I am seriously in favour of everybody being sterilized from the get go...and if someone would want kids (definitely not me) then he/she could go and apply for a suitability test to see whether he/she should have kids....if approved he/she then would get the (natural) medical remedy to be able to produce and offspring....sounds harsh and controversial...but it would be highly logical and the only way humanity can survive in the long term.




There were some medical specialists in the days of the NSDAP run German Empire who developed theories about "worthy life". Even if I have my reserations about exceedingly dull and mentally challenged people having many children, totalitarianism is for sure NOT the way to go !


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Does this mean that having kids should be prohibited to prostitutes ?


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No, the "Swiss" authorities decided completely otherwise elsewhere, under comparable circumstances. It was the local authorities of Bonstetten.


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I much regret to be nitpicking, but the son was Swiss .............

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You mention "Swiss" authorities. But as shown above I know of "Swiss" authorities who in a very similar case acted wisely and considerately. The bitter question however rather is : are the Bonstetten authorities racists ?

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My french teacher told us that Geneva has a really high suicide rate but it never reaches the papers.

It never reaches the papers ? Well it only reaches Le Temps, Tages Anzeiger, etc. It has been amply reported about over the years. A bit difficult to understand, unless you accept the brutal explanation of the father in law of my godfather, then 98, who (right in Geneva) told me that Geneva had twice the population density of Zurich and still 1.5 to 1.7 of the one of Paris.

Prof Gzimek, the longtime zoo director in Frankfurt once said that a high population density of any kind of animals would always result in a high suicide rate !

Aaaawwwwwww!!! That is sooooooo sad! Yeah what will you tell your 6yr old how will you explain it? I remember when I was 6yrs old I didn't think kids could die, only old people, let alone that someone's parent could kill them! I didn't think parents could do bad things at that age. Poor kid!

Hmmm.... I don't know. At 6yrs old? Maybe tell him something bad happened but don't tell him the boy's father did it? That may be too young for him to know some parents can do such things.

Dangerous. As the boy WILL hear the truth before long anyway. TWO aspects are important and that is that the man tried to do suicide and that the man clearly had mental problems.

How to explain that mental sh....t business to a 6 years old indeed is a difficult task .... to "talk" about this on the computer is one thing, to do what needs to be done in reality quite a different thing

Yeah that's thing, who would decide who gets to reproduce and some groups will feel that too few of them get to reproduce while other groups get to reproduce more. That would create a whole other host of problems.

Oh okay yeah true, good point.

...and what is wrong with totalitarianism....we could all have a "I Heart Totalitarianism" bumper sticker on our car...but jokes aside...you ought to step away from Wikipedia for a quick second and use your logic for a minute or so....Wolli, we have too many damn people on this planet...and if every person, that really isn't suppose to have a baby is squeezing one out, we all going to get screwed in the long run. Well, frankly..I do no care much about the long run...I just would like to live comfortably...and this simply doesn't work if we multiply like a bunch of guinea pigs....and thus a simple test with a few questions could determine whether a person should have children...as i.e....do you have the financial means to support a child...do you plan to kill your child etc.....I am not a doctor and by no means a psychologist...I just use my logic and the desire to have food and adequate shelter when I'm about your age.



Wolli-Baby...that ought to be one criteria for the above mentioned test. You previously mentioned that you wouldn't want a physically or mentally impaired person to procreate...hence, I would assume that a prostitute in Switzerland must be somewhat socially impaired. Wouldn't you agree with that?

i think there's a fair amount of socially impaired bankers...

Boogy-Down Brix...what are you still doing up?! I totally agree with you...

You need to check out how Google works. The word order doesn't really affect the search like that.

i know i really should be sleeping...

but if we start deciding who should have puppies and who shouldn't, i'm sure my boogie down behind would've been voted off the baby island!
hahaha.
seriously, and as a teacher here and there- some of the people who would've been serious baby making material on paper had severe parenting problems.

but- one idea is mandatory parenting skills classes. but how do you implement that shyte? it's a slippery slope- and i choose to have my baby to equalize the ratio of crazies to non-crazies. hopefully it'll work out positively for you lot!

seriously though, i agree the parents of the school should've been notified before.

last year a little girl in my son's class died, different circumstances but we were all told right when it happened and they provided counseling, in class discussions, etc. we were able to be there for the family and offer what we could, i'm sure it made it easier for them...it definitely made it better for my boy.

I tell you, all the parenting skills one needs is a good chancleta ..that will take care of all the problems until the kid is roughly 18-19..then one needs to move up to bigger things..

<> that we have too many people on this planet is obvious, and that the dullest people trendwise tend to multiply the most is fact. Another fact is that the duller somebody is the more children there will be But if you speak about restricting such things, then the two questions inevitably are
> who defines the criteria ?
> who does the decisions ?
I would NEVER support any totatalitarian regime to take over just in order to limit the population growth. I however support (even by financial donations) organisations like the one of Jihane es-Sadat and Suzanne Mubarak who support women who want NOT to have more children, who want NOT to see their girls becoming victims of female circumcision, who support people to restrict the size of their families
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BUT if progress only would be available over regimes like the ones of Nureddin el-Attassi or Saddam Hussein al-Takriti, then simply forget it !
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No, a prostitute is NOT socially impaired person. Even if possibly not really in very high regard by the average Bünzli !

I wonder if there's any chance we could reverse this thread and avoid a discussion of a tragic incident and a difficult situation for the OP turning into some kind of ridiculous rant about overpopulation?

I am sorry but I do not quite see the point. I did not refer to anything on Google, but the fact that the son of a Swiss citizen IS a Swiss automatically. So that the use of the word "Brazilian" simply was a way to get the headline to look more interesting.

When I saw the mother, a really nice person in fact, on TV, I realized why some people speak about racism in the state-offices of Bonstetten. I don't know enough details to arrive at a "judgment" but the simply suspicion is clearly disturbing.

...so would you regard a prostitute as a well functioning memebr of society? Ok, before you answer this, there are professional prostitutes and there are women who act like prostites, but don't necessarily call themselve prostitutes. Generally speaking, you can label them the same....

Back to the totalitarian topic...I don't necessarily agree with it..and I find that any form of circumcision should be banned....I however firmly agree that something needs to be done with curbing this damn population growth. It cannot be that people keep squeezing out babies...for whatever reason that may be. People come with the argument that they want to procreate and such....I say f*** procreation...it is soon about survival. What are we going to eat when there isn't any food...no more chicken, no water...humankind will probably turn back to canibalism.

Yes Gastro..hop in the Deloreon and drive back a couple of blocks.

I was searching for news articles using Google, as I mentioned in my post. It was likely that those would contain the word 'Brazilian' hence I used at a search term.

It's got zero to do with whether journalists or others were right or wrong to use that word.