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Old 23.04.2010, 16:39
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Re: Bye Bye Roman ...

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Is it really? In that case I was wrong. I thought it was 18. So why is all the fuss in the media about it? Pssssttt got me going for no reason

Edit- Just saw your edit so I am back on.
in france, the fuss is that Ribéry is accused of "proxenetisme" (like being a pimp) by solliciting a prostitute and therefore encouraging prostitution which is a legal breach in France. What makes it worse is that the prostitute is under 18.

In france the age of consent is 15. It's accepted to have intercourse with someone aged between 15 and 18 if and only if the other partner has no moral authority (teacher, boss etc..)
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Old 03.05.2010, 09:51
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Polanski breaks silence

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PARIS – Filmmaker Roman Polanski, breaking a months-long silence, said Sunday that the U.S. is demanding his extradition from Switzerland on a 33-year-old sex case largely to serve him "on a platter to the media."


Polanski, who is under house arrest in his Alpine Swiss chalet, laid out his case against extradition on an online magazine run by one of his staunchest supporters, French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy.


"I have had my share of dramas and joys, as we all have, and I am not going to try to ask you to pity my lot in life," he wrote. "I ask only to be treated fairly like anyone else."
Some aspects of my own history make me feel that he should count himself lucky. Being raked over the coals of publicity or not, he sure got one sweet deal for himself way back then. Note the portion bolded...

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Three decades ago, Polanski was accused of plying his victim with champagne and part of a Quaalude during a modeling shoot and raping her. He was initially indicted on six felony counts, including rape by use of drugs, child molesting and sodomy. He later pleaded guilty to one count of unlawful sexual intercourse.


Of course, it is also some aspects of my own history that make me feel for the girl (now a woman) who was the victim, and wish for her sake that it could simply be done with and out of the media.
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Old 03.05.2010, 15:37
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Polanski breaks silence


Some aspects of my own history make me feel that he should count himself lucky. Being raked over the coals of publicity or not, he sure got one sweet deal for himself way back then. Note the portion bolded...

Of course, it is also some aspects of my own history that make me feel for the girl (now a woman) who was the victim, and wish for her sake that it could simply be done with and out of the media.
Here's the statement in full.
For some resaon, the victim says after 30+ years she would prefer that the case was dropped.
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Old 03.05.2010, 15:52
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Here's the statement in full.
For some resaon, the victim says after 30+ years she would prefer that the case was dropped.
I'm sure that if you offer anybody enough money they will want that.

I don't think that's justice though.
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I'm sure that if you offer anybody enough money they will want that.
I guess it has more to do that her personal trauma is being re-visited again and again by total f****** strangers, put all over the news and then some, while she has as much control over that as over the initial assault....
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I'm sure that if you offer anybody enough money they will want that.

I don't think that's justice though.

I'm not her so I do not know her motivation...

If it WERE me, no matter how much I would want to see justice served (as if the initial deal made was anything near "enough" imo) I'd certainly not want the media circus which surrounds the whole shebang and might want it dropped just for the sake of peace and quiet for my family - particularly the children.
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Old 03.05.2010, 16:55
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Re: Bye Bye Roman ...

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Here's the statement in full.
For some resaon, the victim says after 30+ years she would prefer that the case was dropped.

TBH , it is not about what she wants (and I fully understand ... despite her up bringing and Roman's kiddie fiddling, she seems quite balanced and want to forget about it) - it's about punishment and a big message to all those in the glitterati that laws should apply to them, and sooner or later it will be time to face justice.
He had his chance to do easy time, but he was too "big" for that. He was not victimized . He has also flicked the bird at the US for the last 25 yaers or so, in cahoots with is powerful friends.

Remember Whoopi Goldberg's comment " It wasn't really like rape rape" !!
So, Whoopi, what was it?
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Old 12.07.2010, 14:14
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Statement from the Swiss Government on Polanski's extradition to the US happening now . . .
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Statement from the Swiss Government on Polanski's extradition to the US happening now . . .
He ain't going..

Jul 12, 2010
Reuters: Swiss won't extradite film director Roman Polanski

Reuters reports that the Swiss Ministry of Justice has decided not to extradite film director Roman Polanski to the United States.

The film director has been held in Switzerland since last September on an extradition request made by U.S. authorities for a 1977 sex case.
Polanski was allowed to move from prison to his Alpine chalet in December pending the extradition decision.
(Posted by Doug Stanglin)
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Old 12.07.2010, 15:18
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Re: Bye Bye Roman ...

What does this mean?? Legalese or a poor translation from the German?

"The reason for the decision lies in the fact that it was not possible to exclude with the necessary certainty a fault in the U.S. extraditionary request," the Swiss Justice Ministry said in a statement on Monday.

so they are not sure if the request is legal, i think.


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What does this mean?? Legalese or a poor translation from the German?

"The reason for the decision lies in the fact that it was not possible to exclude with the necessary certainty a fault in the U.S. extraditionary request," the Swiss Justice Ministry said in a statement on Monday.

so they are not sure if the request is legal, i think.

Apparently the US did not give them some testimony about his sentincing procedure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100712/...roman_polanski
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Old 12.07.2010, 17:37
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Re: Bye Bye Roman ...

This is a very interesting decision. Basically the US authorities seem to have shot themselves in the foot. Without evidence of how Polanski would be sentenced based on time already served in the US under the original 90 day conviction plea bargain of which he was discharged after 40+ days, and what he would need to remain to serve under his plea bargain and conviction, the Swiss authorities had no evidence he would need to serve more than 6 months, the minimum of which an extradition request to Switzerland seems to require. Especially as he has served over 6 months house arrest and detention in Switzerland.

The prosecution official seems to have had the choice of perjuring himself if he gave an opinion on sentencing different to that already entered into the court record, or potentially disqualifying the request if his opinion was less than a certain period as seemingly required under the Swiss extradition agreement. For example on the Swiss admin site is the following under extradition:

"Old extradition treaties contain a list of offences for which provision for extradition is made. More modern treaties, however, such as the European Convention on Extradition, provide for extradition if the alleged offence is punishable by a custodial sentence of a certain minimum duration (one year), or if a sentence of a certain minimum duration (four months) has been imposed." Interestingly here the one year hadn't yet happened or been imposed or determined by a court, and the previous 90 days sentence imposed was less than four months so didn't meet the second condition either.

Further reading shows: "
As a rule, criminal proceedings that are already pending in the requested state for the same offence take precedence over extradition. Furthermore, an existing conviction for the same offence in the requested state rules out extradition, in accordance with the "non bis in idem" principle. Extradition will be granted in the case of prosecution or sentence execution relating to offences for which the statute of limitations has already expired only if corresponding provision is made in the treaty between the two countries concerned."

So here the question might be as Polanski already served a sentence and was discharged early, isn't the maximum to be served 90-42 days or whatever, therefore less than 4 months? Or perhaps the "non bis in idem" principle applies as he is already convicted so the only issue is remaining sentence to be served, to which the US didn't respond with an answer meeting the Swiss criteria as above.

The question is, if the confidential opinion so entered, wouldn't have prejudiced the extradition request requirements of the Swiss, why did the US state and federal authorities keep silent?

What has probably happened today is that the time limit on responding to the Swiss request for this info has expired, and therefore the request.

We all know how fastidious the Swiss are in their administration, particularly under media spotlight.

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Old 12.07.2010, 19:22
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Re: Bye Bye Roman (Update: Polanski will not be extradited)

I think it was the right decision to let him go.

He really seems to be the the victim of some disgruntled judge wanting to raise himself a monument before retiring.

As long as the Americans cannot proof otherwise, I think it is the logical decision to release him.

The only question I have now is: We did we arrest him in the first place?
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Old 12.07.2010, 19:26
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Apparently the US did not give them some testimony about his sentincing procedure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100712/...roman_polanski

Kinda interesting, there were rumours that they only arrested him to make good friends with the US over the whole banking secrecy fiasco. According to the extradition, the Swiss wanted to see the US' confidential testimony, which they didn't give. Two sides of a similar issue.
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I think it was the right decision to let him go.

He really seems to be the the victim of some disgruntled judge wanting to raise himself a monument before retiring.

As long as the Americans cannot proof otherwise, I think it is the logical decision to release him.

The only question I have now is: We did we arrest him in the first place?

Perhaps because he was a rapist and a paedophile ??
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Without getting into the legal technicalities, it is GOOD that he got released. The matter in question was three decades ago anyway.
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Perhaps because he was a rapist and a paedophile ??
exactly. absolutely disgusting that he is free
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Without getting into the legal technicalities, it is GOOD that he got released. The matter in question was three decades ago anyway.
What does that have to do with anything ...?

If you avoid prosecution for 30 years you have a right to your freedom ....
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What does that have to do with anything ...?

If you avoid prosecution for 30 years you have a right to your freedom ....
He has been in prison in the USA and under house-arrest in Switzerland. And whether he was guilty or not, and if so to what extent, is not my thing to judge. And now, he is on his way to family in Paris.
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Re: Bye Bye Roman (Update: Polanski will not be extradited)

Update (LA's side of the story):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100712/...pphu-container

So, LA seems to imply that the Swiss officials were basically looking for any small reason to deny the extradition request.

Imo, if the intention of the Swiss was to simply let Polanski go, why did they bother arresting him in the first place? And why keep him under house arrest for six months?

Despite the claims of the LA DA, I am still fairly convinced that the Swiss government followed the proper procedure for this ordeal and that either the US government dropped the ball or this case is simply just falling apart.
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