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Re: Bye Bye Roman (Update: Polanski will not be extradited)

If they really wanted him back in the States, they would have complied.. maybe their case is a lot weaker than I thought.. Rather have him stay a fugitive than address the previous issues in this court case methinks..

He still is guilty, but so is the justice system..
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He has been in prison in the USA and under house-arrest in Switzerland. And whether he was guilty or not, and if so to what extent, is not my thing to judge. And now, he is on his way to family in Paris.
He did admit that he sexually abused the child in question:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...nskiplea1.html

The only thing that can be said in his defense is that because of his confession, at least the girl didn't have to testify.

I understand the victim's desire for peace, but as a society, we have the obligation to protect people from predators. Since he already admitted the crime, he needs to serve his sentence, and the victim can be left in peace. If he is such a great man and artist, he would understand the importance of having to pay for his mistakes (and I wouldn't call avoiding the USA adequate punishment for drugging and raping a child), especially as a father to a young woman. What message is he sending her? It's a little twisted, IMHO.
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Old 13.07.2010, 10:30
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Perhaps because he was a rapist and a paedophile ??
More accurately, he is a *convicted* rapist and pedophile.
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Re: Bye Bye Roman (Update: Polanski will not be extradited)

Reading the backlash towards Switzerland in the comments sections of various UK and US excuses for newspapers I would be surprised if any of the readers actually read past the headlines. Based on what I've read, both here and in the more reliable press, the blame for the failure of the extradition process can be laid fairly and squarely at the door of the US legal system.

I'm kind of wondering if this failure to provide the required evidence was not incompetence, but an orchestrated political point scoring exercise designed to discredit Switzerland, perhaps in retaliation for the banking situation that appears to annoy the USA so much. If that was the intention, then it appears to have worked, at least in the eyes of the public commentators of these newspapers.

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I'm kind of wondering if this failure to provide the required evidence was not incompetence, but an orchestrated political point scoring exercise designed to discredit Switzerland, perhaps in retaliation for the banking situation that appears to annoy the USA so much. If that was the intention, then it appears to have worked, at least in the eyes of the public commentators of these newspapers.

OK, conspiracy theory hat is now off and in the bin
I doubt any conspiracy theory here. It's a joyous day when celebrity status and legal bungling gets a guy off the hook. There were 2 crimes. Polanski's admitted rape and then the decades of neglect in bringing this case to justice. I could argue this one both ways, but whichever argument I choose to follow, there's no doubt that this whole episode was a legal cluster on both sides of the pond.
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Re: Bye Bye Roman (Update: Polanski will not be extradited)

I don't understand how they failed to provide enough evidence really. Surely the confession would be enough?
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I don't understand how they failed to provide enough evidence really. Surely the confession would be enough?
It wasn't evidence of the crime, it was evidence of how the sentencing would be handled.
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I don't understand how they failed to provide enough evidence really. Surely the confession would be enough?
it was evidence about the sentancing, not the conviction. He's already been convicted. He legged it out the usa because he heard the judge was going to cancel the plea-bargain that he'd done with the prosecutors.
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I don't understand how they failed to provide enough evidence really. Surely the confession would be enough?

wasn't it down to the US not stating how long he would go to prison for there? the treaty the swiss have with the US says its only for crimes if your going down for 12 months, as they wouldn't say how long he would get (by the deadline) they wouldn't send him there
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Re: Bye Bye Roman (Update: Polanski will not be extradited)

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In the framework of the extradition proceedings, on 3rd March 2010, the Federal Office of Justice (FOJ) asked the USA authorities to substantiate the extradition request by supplying the records of a hearing carried out on 26th January 2010 by the public prosecutor, Roger Gunson, who was in charge of the case in the seventies. The records should prove that, in a meeting held on 19th September 1977, the judge in charge at the time had expressly assured the representatives of the parties that the 42 days of detention spent by Roman Polanski in the psychiatric unit of a Californian prison represented the whole term of imprisonment he was condemned to. If this were the case, Roman Polanski would actually have already served his sentence and therefore both the proceedings on which the US extradition request is founded and the request itself would have no foundation.
The request of the FOJ to supply the records was rejected by the US Justice Department on 13th May 2010 due to a court ruling, according to which the records had to be kept secret. In these circumstances it is not possible to exclude with the necessary certainty that Roman Polanski has already served the sentence he was condemned to at the time and that the extradition request is undermined by a serious fault. Considering the persisting doubts concerning the presentation of the facts of the case, the request has to be rejected.
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wasn't it down to the US not stating how long he would go to prison for there? the treaty the swiss have with the US says its only for crimes if your going down for 12 months, as they wouldn't say how long he would get (by the deadline) they wouldn't send him there
That would make sense then; I believe he only had 48 days or so left on his original sentence.

I can't read this story anymore on yahoo...the ignorance of the majority of the people commenting is making my head explode

On the original story, there was one comment where someone referred to CH as "that god forsaken pile of rocks" ?? lol.
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On the original story, there was one comment where someone referred to CH as "that god forsaken pile of rocks" ?? lol.
I was on a conf call to the states, when I said I was from Switzerland. the guy replied ' so how are all the blonde abba ladies then'??

He thought it was Sweden!
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I was on a conf call to the states, when I said I was from Switzerland. the guy replied ' so how are all the blonde abba ladies then'??

He thought it was Sweden!
Ha ha yeah, my ex constantly refers to CH as "Sweden" and it annoys me...then when I correct him and say "No, it's Switzerland", he replies with: "Same thing, whatever.."
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Re: Bye Bye Roman (Update: Polanski will not be extradited)

What really gets me riled is that according to my Swiss mate / colleague who grew up close to where RP's Swiss villa is, the guy was well know in the area in the late 70's / early 80's for flashing the cash, holding big drug & booze parties at his villa after pub closing, and getting the local teenage girls involved. I haven't seen this aspect of his life covered anywhere else.

Yes I admit, it's hearsay, but as the saying goes, "Once a pedo....."

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I can't read this story anymore on yahoo...the ignorance of the majority of the people commenting is making my head explode

On the original story, there was one comment where someone referred to CH as "that god forsaken pile of rocks" ?? lol.
Same here, overnight Switzerland has earned the reputation of being some kind of haven for pedophiles. No, we just have laws that we follow. The conspiracy theorists a few posts up are giving the Americans too much credit. It's wasn't anything as complicated as that, I think it was just hubris. "How could they possibly refuse a request from us?!" They didn't make a solid case because they didn't think they needed to.
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More accurately, he is a *convicted* rapist and pedophile.
This is the crux of it for me -- although he is a convicted rapist, people still admire him for his work and pay him handsomely for his art. Separate the art and the artist, yes it is possible.

The person he hurt has forgiven him, isn't that enough? If it was just a regular Joe who did this, he might have served his time or he might have skipped town too. The conviction still stands and unless he can hide that record it's known. However, I do believe a regular Joe would be less likely to get a decent job (in the US) with such a conviction and running away from sentencing.

I am sure there are countless other artists who have done bad things. Some have paid for their crimes, some have not. That's just the way the world works. Justice? Getting away with it? I don't think "those artists" think of it like that... it's all fun and 1960s and free love, hedonism and get it while you can mentality... laws are for conservative staid boring people who need to be told what they can and can't do.

Although I have to say for an artist, Polanski has some pretty clever (and I am sure, well paid) lawyers...
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The records should prove that, in a meeting held on 19th September 1977, the judge in charge at the time had expressly assured the representatives of the parties that the 42 days of detention spent by Roman Polanski in the psychiatric unit of a Californian prison represented the whole term of imprisonment he was condemned to. If this were the case, Roman Polanski would actually have already served his sentence and therefore both the proceedings on which the US extradition request is founded and the request itself would have no foundation.
42 days for raping, sodomizing and drugging a child - what was the judge thinking

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This is the crux of it for me -- although he is a convicted rapist, people still admire him for his work and pay him handsomely for his art. Separate the art and the artist, yes it is possible.

The person he hurt has forgiven him, isn't that enough? If it was just a regular Joe who did this, he might have served his time or he might have skipped town too. The conviction still stands and unless he can hide that record it's known. However, I do believe a regular Joe would be less likely to get a decent job (in the US) with such a conviction and running away from sentencing.

I am sure there are countless other artists who have done bad things. Some have paid for their crimes, some have not. That's just the way the world works. Justice? Getting away with it? I don't think "those artists" think of it like that... it's all fun and 1960s and free love, hedonism and get it while you can mentality... laws are for conservative staid boring people who need to be told what they can and can't do.

Although I have to say for an artist, Polanski has some pretty clever (and I am sure, well paid) lawyers...
I think you're right, as people overlook most detail as they only see the crime. However, until he actually goes through the system and serves the court's verdict, he'll still be considered to be 'at large'. This is the sticking point for most people. Although, you'll always have the 'once a pedo always a pedo' argument. Strange that you don't hear as much 'once a crim always a crim'.. I'm not going to comment on his behavior, as I believe it's up to the courts to decide someones guilt or innocence, not the mass media or people's opinion without fact.

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I believe the conviction was for only having sex with a minor, not for sodomy or drugging. sorry.
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42 days for raping, sodomizing and drugging a child - what was the judge thinking
He certainly should have gotten more time, a lot more time, but that's the deal the L.A. prosecutors made. Legally, they can't turn around and say "Yes, that was the original sentence, but we were going to reneg on that, lie to his lawyers and him, and send him away for more time!" in their extradition request.
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