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Old 22.05.2010, 13:25
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Not a single French-speaking town features in the top 25 of the annual ranking by the Bilanz business magazine of quality of life in Swiss cities, towns and boroughs.

Uster ZH made it to the Top 10

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and main article here in DE.

Winners and losers

Top 10
1. Zug
2. Zurich
3. Lucerne
4. Opfikon
5. Baden
6. Dübendorf
7. Wallisellen
8. Winterthur
9. Kloten
10. Uster

Bottom 10
125: Amriswil
126. Grenchen
127. Wohlen
128: Neuhausen am Rheinfall
129. Oftringen
130. Spiez
131. Arbon
132. Steffisburg
133. Val-de-Travers
134. Le Locle
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Old 22.05.2010, 13:36
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Geneva's dropped to the 39th.....

There's definitely to much foreigners (yep too much, you can't count them)
you can't live there in peace and calm as it used to be


just kidding of course, but it's true that Geneva's no more the nice town it used to be in the past.
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Old 22.05.2010, 14:17
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The top two places to my knowledge also have a high proportion of foreigners.
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Old 22.05.2010, 14:54
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Kloten? Credibilty failure .
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Re: How true is this ?

The criteria that they have used are going to favour the larger towns with established commercail and leisure facilities.

Labour market
Education & Teaching
Dynamics
Recreation, Culture and Leisure
Safety & Health
Trade
Wealth
Tax
Tourism
Accessibility

Factors such as natural environment, peace & tranquility, pollution, pace of life would produce quite different results. Thankfully, we don't all want the same things out of life or everwhere would become identical.

I notice that Arbon is shown near the bottom of the list. I am sure that my friends who live there would completely disagree with that.

Is there a complete list of the towns available anywhere?
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Old 22.05.2010, 17:44
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Labour market
Education & Teaching
Dynamics
Recreation, Culture and Leisure
Safety & Health
Trade
Wealth
Tax
Tourism
Accessibility

Geneva got its low ranking for its extremely dry housing market and high taxation. As for other cities in the "latin" parts of Switzerland, the considerably higher unemployment rates have certainly played a big role.

That said, as other posters have already mentioned, people's preferences differ wildly. I will always prefer Bern (where I now live) and Lausanne /(where I used to live) to Kloten, no matter how many studies are produced to convince me otherwise.

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The top two places to my knowledge also have a high proportion of foreigners.
Zug is Knightsbridge/Upper East Side -on-Zuggersee.
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Not a single French-speaking town features in the top 25 of the annual ranking by the Bilanz business magazine of quality of life in Swiss cities, towns and boroughs.

Uster ZH made it to the Top 10
Because it is a trick. Look at the list again

1. Zug
2. Zurich
3. Lucerne
4. Opfikon
5. Baden
6. Dübendorf
7. Wallisellen
8. Winterthur
9. Kloten
10. Uster

All the highlighted places are either Zurich (political city itself) or outer suburbs of Zurich, and I also regard Uster as an outer suburb of Zurich.
If you combine them under Zurich plus outer suburbs you give 5 spaces to the next ones

Another point is that Bilanz is from German speaking Switzerland and so may put criterias on top which in the Romandie would be put differently priority-wise. If Bilanz would in this cooperate with Le Temps, and as outlined above combine conurbations into one, the result might be somewhat less disastrous for the Romandie.

Another aspect is that the Bilanz people think for rich and wealthy and conservative people like themselves. I mean, Zug on top ? while Zug for me, whenever quite nice, simply is a Kaff

If I had to live in another city inside Switzerland than Zurich + outer suburbs it definitely would be Geneva

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The top two places to my knowledge also have a high proportion of foreigners.
Yes, the share of foreigners in Opfikon-Glattbrugg is 40%, and as Opfikon itself has a foreigner share of below 25%, the result for Glattbrugg is obvious. The situation in Kloten and Dübendorf and Wallisellen is similar.

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See now, that is what you get when comparing the Swiss-German part to the Swiss-French part.
Quality of life doesn't have the same meaning here and over there. Exactly one of the things I so like about Switzerland. A little bit of variety.

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See now, that is what you get when comparing the Swiss-German part to the Swiss-French part.
Quality of life doesn't have the same meaning here and over there. Exactly one of the things I so like about Switzerland. A little bit of variety.
True, but had the survey been done by either WoZ or Tages Anzeiger, the listing would look quite differently


But a ranking done by a Romandie media operator might look like this
Genève
Lausanne
Nyon
Yverdon
Rolle
Vevey
Estavayer-au-Lac
Morges
Montreux
Neuchâtel


end at the end of the list places like
La Chaux-de-Fonds
Le Locle
Sierre
Sion
Payerne

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True, but had the survey been done by either WoZ or Tages Anzeiger, the listing would look quite differently
How would that make a difference Wolli?
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Old 23.05.2010, 10:56
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TSR three days ago had another study: The Swiss with the most money in the pocket for fun after deduction of all unavoidable paiments are...



... the Jurassiens. And don't tell me quality of life is bad in Delemont. You may tell me that Delémont is not less boring than the high ranking cities of your study. That, you may.
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How would that make a difference Wolli?
As it, if done by WOZ would look as follows

Top 10
1. Zurich (incl outer suburbs)
2. Winterthur
3. Geneva (incl outer suburbs)
4. Biel/Bienne
5. Baden
6. Schaffhausen
7. Lausanne
8. Lugano
9. Lucerne
10. Yverdon

and in case of Tages Anzeiger :

Top 10
1. Zurich (incl outer suburbs)
2. Schaffhausen
3. Geneva (incl outer suburbs)
4. Lugano
5. Baden
6. Winterthur
7. Lausanne
8. Lucerne
9. Biel/Bienne
10. Yverdon


and let's not forget NZZ :

Top 10
1. Zurich (incl outer suburbs)
2. Schaffhausen
3. Geneva (incl outer suburbs)
4. Lugano
5. St. Moritz + Davos (same rank)
6. Basel
7. Lausanne
8. Lucerne
9. Ascona
10. Rapperswil-Jona


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Winners and losers

Top 10
1. Zug
2. Zurich
3. Lucerne
4. Opfikon
5. Baden
6. Dübendorf
7. Wallisellen
8. Winterthur
9. Kloten
10. Uster
OMG. Have they set foot in the wretched village of Dübendorf? There is a giant factory that spews stench 24/7. I wanted to eat dinner outside yesterday but after 30 second of trying to eat while being bombarded with an unnatural "burned jelly" smell I had to retreat.
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True, but had the survey been done by either WoZ or Tages Anzeiger, the listing would look quite differently


But a ranking done by a Romandie media operator might look like this
Genève
Lausanne
Nyon
Yverdon
Rolle
Vevey
Estavayer-au-Lac
Morges
Montreux
Neuchâtel


end at the end of the list places like
La Chaux-de-Fonds
Le Locle
Sierre
Sion
Payerne

Yay, you just made my day. La Chaux-de-Fonds or Le Locle would be the last on my list. Ghost towns, once industrially big and hopping, there is sad atmosphere around those areas now, there are more of towns like that in CH...Sion, however, so pretty, just far away from everywhere...
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TSR three days ago had another study: The Swiss with the most money in the pocket for fun after deduction of all unavoidable paiments are...



... the Jurassiens. And don't tell me quality of life is bad in Delemont. You may tell me that Delémont is not less boring than the high ranking cities of your study. That, you may.
I just can not believe that the canton with the highest taxes, little industry and not-so-fabulous income per capita, can really qualify for a higher level of cash flow than the rest of the country.
Please..

And yes, Délémont is not the most exciting of places.
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I just can not believe that the canton with the highest taxes, little industry and not-so-fabulous income per capita, can really qualify for a higher level of cash flow than the rest of the country.
Please..

And yes, Délémont is not the most exciting of places.
You MISread the statement. Nobody says that the Jurassiens have more cash then the rest of the country. But that they reserve more money than others just for fun.

I however doubt even this. I think that these researchers became victim to some sort of practical joke. Such researchers possibly fail to realize that they are not taken as deadly seriously as the see themselves.
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I just can not believe that the canton with the highest taxes, little industry and not-so-fabulous income per capita, can really qualify for a higher level of cash flow than the rest of the country.
Please..

And yes, Délémont is not the most exciting of places.
Cheap housing and little transport costs would be the answer they had. Not that they are fabulously rich, just that one seems to get back in daily life what one gives in taxes.
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1. Zug
2. Zurich
3. Lucerne
4. Opfikon
5. Baden
6. Dübendorf
7. Wallisellen
8. Winterthur
9. Kloten
10. Uster
This list is a joke. Opfikon, Dübendorf, Wallisellen and Kloten are some of the worst places to live I could imagine. The only reason people move there is either 1) because they are poor (for Swiss standards) or 2) because they are foreigners who wouldn't be able to find an apartment in a decent place.

Even if they introduced negative taxes and offered free housing I would not want to live in Kloten. A bit like saying Detroit offers the highest quality of life of all major US cities just because housing there is really, really cheap.
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Is there a complete list of the towns available anywhere?
I couldn't find a link either....anybody know the full list location?
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