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Old 06.06.2010, 09:48
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- the guy broke the law in Singapore. Should he get special treatment because he is Swiss? why? If i move to another country, i am expected to respect it's laws.
In my case I have moved to singapore and I admit it is exteme in it's laws
He knew that he was in Singapore. He did it in Singapore. He knew that it also would be illegal in most places in Switzerland. And he must have known that the laws in Singapore are on the extreme side.

And so, he has to be handled in accordance with Singapore laws.
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Old 06.06.2010, 10:02
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It's the citizens that should run the show, not the governments. Just because they have the guns, doesn't make them right.

haha hahaha... muahhh hahahhah...

oh my god. you're hilarious .....

and sooo naive.
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haha hahaha... muahhh hahahhah...

oh my god. you're hilarious .....

and sooo naive.
possibly not as naive, as you ought to pay attention to the word SHOULD

This in fact does happen to some extent really. But look at the differences between Switzerland and Germany. In Switzerland, lots of folks ask for every tiny bit to be decided by the voters. In postwar West Germany, Theodor Heuss and Konrad Adenauer, both still under the impression of actions of the "Volkszorn", introduced quite many "brakes" between the voters and the judiciary.

Look at the U.K. where you, with a number of signatures (even foreigners resident for more than 2 months can participate / the number back in 1972 was 12 ) can push a matter as topic into the House of Commons. I actually HAD the chance to participate in such a thing once and then followed the matter for years in the press. It was about public transport in "outer London" and something real resulted !

The independence of the USA resulted from some people thinking that there SHOULD ......
The French revolution resulted from some people thinking that there SHOULD ........ and that there SHOULD not be ---- and Switzerland resulted from both considerations about "should" and "should not"
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Singapore is walling itself off from the world? So why are so many multinational companies investing in the country?! And why are people relocating there? Please bear in mind that they all came knowing the laws.
The foreigners who are there working for Pirelli, Citibank, IBM etc etc aren't actually subject to the same laws that Singaporeans are.

Even though there have been high profile episodes of expats being flogged or jailed, the average Singaporean has to contend with a far stricter code.

Classic contradictions by a dictatorship in order to attract foreign money.

Aside from that Singapore is amazing. But then again I'm not Singaporean.
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Old 06.06.2010, 11:24
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The foreigners who are there working for Pirelli, Citibank, IBM etc etc aren't actually subject to the same laws that Singaporeans are.

Even though there have been high profile episodes of expats being flogged or jailed, the average Singaporean has to contend with a far stricter code.

Classic contradictions by a dictatorship in order to attract foreign money.

Aside from that Singapore is amazing. But then again I'm not Singaporean.
I have lived there for years and I never came across anr seperate laws for foreigners
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Old 06.06.2010, 11:25
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...believe it or not. Me not paying for my travel fare (certain) times is more beneficial as I have more money to my disposal that I generously reinvest into the economy. Now if everybody would be doing it...that's a problem. I'm not quite sure how to calculate the threshold of beneficial for the economy or seriously hurting SBB.
Woah there boy! No one is talking about right and wrong or beneficial and not. What you do is illegal. Now:

is it alright if we cane you?
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haha hahaha... muahhh hahahhah...

oh my god. you're hilarious .....

and sooo naive.
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Old 06.06.2010, 11:42
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Re: Swiss getting whopped in Singapore for graffiti

Is it alright is ya'll caned me? Ya'll can try...but expect some "canage" back .

Jokes aside, yes..I welcome caning in Switzerland as I would immediately stop dodging train fares.
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Is it alright is ya'll caned me? Ya'll can try...but expect some "canage" back .

Jokes aside, yes..I welcome caning in Switzerland as I would immediately stop dodging train fares.
And if they make chicken wings illegal on health grounds?
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Old 06.06.2010, 11:55
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And if they make chicken wings illegal on health grounds?
Econ, now you are going way too far
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Old 06.06.2010, 11:59
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Econ, now you are going way too far
Why? The banned smoking indoors, and fried food is way more unhealthy - far more people in the West die of heart disease due to improper diet than die of cancer due to smoking. It's not such a stretch. So, fines or caning for scarfing down 32 red hot chicken wings at your next picnic?
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Why? The banned smoking indoors, and fried food is way more unhealthy - far more people in the West die of heart disease due to improper diet than die of cancer due to smoking. It's not such a stretch. So, fines or caning for scarfing down 32 red hot chicken wings at your next picnic?
Certainly, but smoking affects nonsmokers as well....whereas Chicken Wings affect solely me (and the chicken of course).
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Old 06.06.2010, 12:38
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Certainly, but smoking affects nonsmokers as well....whereas Chicken Wings affect solely me (and the chicken of course).
Nooo come on, the government has already made it its business to make you healthy, that why (at least how they justify) the sin tax on cigarettes and alchohol. And again, we're not talking about right or wrong, we're talking about legal and illegal (or in this case what could plausibly be made illegal). And to be honest around the same percentage of people enjoy staring at badly drawn graffiti as enjoy staring at obese people on their last legs (I must start that diet). In any case, the principle is there - to cane or not to cane.
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Nooo come on, the government has already made it its business to make you healthy, that why (at least how they justify) the sin tax on cigarettes and alchohol. And again, we're not talking about right or wrong, we're talking about legal and illegal (or in this case what could plausibly be made illegal). And to be honest around the same percentage of people enjoy staring at badly drawn graffiti as enjoy staring at obese people on their last legs (I must start that diet). In any case, the principle is there - to cane or not to cane.
...nope, as I can compensate the excessive Wing abuse with some proper exercise...so your argument doesn't necessarily stand ground on this one.

to cane or not to cane.....definitely cane.
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Old 06.06.2010, 13:01
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I personally doubt Mike Fay was caned, though. And if he was they were very careful.

When MF was released (early) after receiving 4 strokes instead of I believe 8 thanks to Slick Willy calling Harry Lee it was rumoured that a magazine offered him a large sum of money for photos of he rear end. He apparently declined. He wouldn't even show his close friends and classmates his battle wounds.

This leads me to believe that he was NOT caned. Or if he was they were particularly careful not to damage this Ang Moh Kia's butt beyond recognition like they usually do.

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The foreigners who are there working for Pirelli, Citibank, IBM etc etc aren't actually subject to the same laws that Singaporeans are.

Even though there have been high profile episodes of expats being flogged or jailed, the average Singaporean has to contend with a far stricter code.
I've read all the posts on here and I have to say that some people are just really F.O.S. My biggest bug bear on forums besides those self righteous arses are people who talk out of their backsides with zero facts to back them up.

I dont know which Singapore you've visited but the same law applies for expats AND locals alike. I was a lawyer back home before I switched professions and know what how the Singapore legal system ticks. Strict and zero exceptions, regardless of skin colour and passport.

To clarify the caning procedure in Singapore, it is nothing like public caning that you get in public schools. I've visted the caning chamber. The ratan is 1.5-2m long, and about half an inch thick. The caner is specially trained to do it - not just any ole prison officer can do it. There are certain procedures, and steps to take before, during and after the entire punishment takes place. A doctor is present all the way - and they will not continue to flog you if you pass out. And not showing your caning wounds to close friends and family doesnt mean that you werent caned. Its a traumatic experience - an ex client once told me that even the most hardened of criminals cry out from the pain.

I am not about to comment whether its a barbaric form of punishment but it has worked well for that society - regardless of our views. With regards to the argument as to the effectiveness of such harsh punishments, totally lowering the number of murders, rapes and vandlism cases to zero with such harsh punishments like hanging and caning will not be realistic because there will be one or two idiots out there who think that they can get away with it.

But it has kept the country safe - much safer than anywhere else in the world - and relatively graffati free.
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Corporal punishment = physcial harm/beating etc
Capital punishment = execution/killing






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Right ,my error .Sorry
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Jokes aside, yes..I welcome caning in Switzerland as I would immediately stop dodging train fares.
Would Bahnhofstrasse be ideal location for it?
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Would Bahnhofstrasse be ideal location for it?
If it was legal to cane repeated SBB offenders..I'd like to come over and watch
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Would Bahnhofstrasse be ideal location for it?
no this pleasure should be reserved to 1st class GA owners...so I'd rather see that in the SBB Lounge while sipping a coffee
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