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22.09.2010, 23:06
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | Actually it wasn't.
Arithmetically the seat should have gone to the SVP and not FDP. It is the first time in history the parliament has voted not in favour of the concordance, which is quite something...
Well done parliament. | | | | | No, the parliament has voted absolutely in favour of the concordance, because an additional SVP seat would have given the SVP/BDP section a 3 members representation which would NOT be in accordance with the strength of parties. That the BDP still is below 5% clearly shows which seat ought to go to a SVP member.
The SVP/BDP clientele is less than 30% and NOT 40% plus.
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22.09.2010, 23:12
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | Everybody agrees that it would be more representative to have SVP all friendly and united with each other so that they can gove the seats the normal way. Bern didn't do that. Given the fact that neither you nor I would think that parliament acts lightly, there must be a higher goal for them worth following instead of complying to the magical formula (new version). The question is: what is this higher goal?
Given the fact that WidmerSchlumpf was member of the SVP but not the candidate of the party, there was something fishy. What was fishy on SVP side to force reelection of Blocher rather than looking for a compromise candidate with the others? Fill in the blanks according to your own analysis, but the question stands.
Given the fact that WidmerSchlumpf knew that her candidateship would lead to cessession, there was something fishy. What was fishy on council's side to force a candidate upon a party instead of maintaining the practice? Fill in the blanks according to your own analysis, but the question stands.
Independently from how you answer the two above questions, you have to admit that the history of Blocher's ejection is predeterminant in the relations between parliament and SVP. Therefore, it is of outmost importance not to cut the connection between this history and the present election, keeping in mind that the election of CalmyRey's replacement next year means a total renewal of the council. That means a new start for a new collegiality with new councelors.
Now next step: ever wondered why the word "collegiality" is repeated thousand times a day in connection with this election? You should. The parliament's obsession with collegiality (yes, parliament), is linked to the practice of Blocher in his time. He tried a new style (not talking about content, about his ideas, just his methods in Bern). The parliament rejected exactly that and wants to avoid at any price - any price - that the political cultures changes in Bern. Collegiality is the warrant of the controle of the parliament upon the council, as it obliges the council as a whole to present dossiers to the parliament. The parliament judges the council as a group, collegially, thus making it impossible for the councils to play the parliament against other councelors. That was exactly what the parliament reproached Blocher. And they think - truely or falsely - that the SVP in its present form will try that again if voted strong into the council.
This leads to the simple conclusion that the parliament (all parties isolating SVP) follow the higher goal of preservation of political culture (largely unwritten rules) rather than representing mathematically and democratically the parties in the federal council. One may not agree with their priorities. But that is clearly the goal behind isolation of SVP candidates at any price. Even the very soft compromise-version "nice guy from Fribourg".
Each of you think what ever you want of that. But all those questions are fundamental to the comprehension of the elections. For the time being... who knows when the parliament (the parties, actually) will reach again to the SVP... and how many SVPs there will be (fractions really hate each other officially, and in Graubünden/Grischun, they split totally). We'll see.
But don't tell me Blocher has nothing to do with it. (and I won't tell you the parliament is innocent)  | | | | | Now, let's be relaxed. The SVP is not the first party who got a NON-candidate voted into the Federal government by other parties. It happened three times to the SP (Tschudi / Stich / Dreyfuss) and to the FDP also. But those parties did NOT throw their members out of their parties, for the very simple reason that they knew that they were to lose a Bundesrat member. Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf may have been voted into office by others, but she IS a SVP Bundesrat arithmetically
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22.09.2010, 23:13
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | What is this? Sexism? c'mon dude get with the programme, it is no longer the 1970's, it makes no difference what sex the person is! Basics, jog on! | | | | | It those to me | 
22.09.2010, 23:39
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | I am pleased we have a Ticinese.
Seriously both the Swiss Italian parts as well as the population that actually still does speak Romanche are just not represented enough. | | | | | Well, the Romansch speakers, less than 3% of the population, are practically represented by the Grischun politican Widmer-Schlumpf !
The Canton of Ticino and the Cantons of Zug/Aargau/Luzern/Schwyz as well as the Citta di Lugano now are represented by her. She was born in Zug, grew up in Sins/AG (near Luzern) and got higher education in the Cantons of Luzern and Schwyz, studied in Rome and in California (presumably Berkeley)
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23.09.2010, 05:14
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat
I am sick about the constant moaning and whining of the SVP, which I never understood. As Wolli said, Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf was elected as a SVP member and kicked out of the party after accepting the vote. Therefore they blame the other parties for their own mistake. What a kindergarten!
But I think they will try to bring Blocher again. Simply for one reason: His "Überego" never acceptet this failure. Let's hope that the other cantonal parties can stop him. We often forget, that there are a lot of moderate people in the other cantons which don't agree with the Zurich wing. It's about thime the show their strength.
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23.09.2010, 10:39
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| | | Women dominate Swiss cabinet
Switzerland's parliament has given women a majority of cabinet posts for the first time in the history. Switzerlands is known as of one of Europe's most conservative countries. It was the last European democracy to grant women the vote at national level in 1971 and the first female minister was only elected in 1984. The canton of Appenzell Inner-Rhodes, blocked women from local elections until 1990  .
But it is different in business: there are only five women in Swiss 100 top bankers.
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23.09.2010, 11:00
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat
Blocher is 310 years old, apparently.
The president of the national council, on the other hand... | 
23.09.2010, 11:25
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | I spotted the difference (or lack of), they both share the same bra size? Do I win an EF T-shirt? Large please, with cut outs for my physique.. | | The following 4 users would like to thank Assassin for this useful post: | | 
23.09.2010, 11:42
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat
Except his are....hairy. Urgh!! | 
23.09.2010, 12:02
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | Except his are....hairy. Urgh!!  | | | | | Whats wrong with that,Leni ? | 
23.09.2010, 12:04
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat
Erm......well, they are hairy and ..droopy , then. | 
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | No, the parliament has voted absolutely in favour of the concordance, because an additional SVP seat would have given the SVP/BDP section a 3 members representation which would NOT be in accordance with the strength of parties. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | I am sick about the constant moaning and whining of the SVP, which I never understood. As Wolli said, Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf was elected as a SVP member and kicked out of the party after accepting the vote. | | | | | Have you forgotten what happened?
To recap: How Blocher was voted out of office
As much I loathe the SVP, but there was no way not to expell Widmer-Schlumpf.
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23.09.2010, 17:37
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | I am sick about the constant moaning and whining of the SVP, which I never understood. As Wolli said, Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf was elected as a SVP member and kicked out of the party after accepting the vote. Therefore they blame the other parties for their own mistake. What a kindergarten!
But I think they will try to bring Blocher again. Simply for one reason: His "Überego" never acceptet this failure. Let's hope that the other cantonal parties can stop him. We often forget, that there are a lot of moderate people in the other cantons which don't agree with the Zurich wing. It's about thime the show their strength. | | | | | Blocher apparently decided yesterday to encourage Mr Rime into a renewed candidacy in Dec-11, in order to evict Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | |
A) I referred to the elections of yesterday, when SP and FDP kept their
two seats in accordance with the concordance. A 3rd seat for the rightwingers is NOT justified
B) When Widmer-Schlumpf was elected, a SVP member was elected to replace another SVP member. Nothing was done against the concordance
C) Widmer-Schlumpf was NOT (yet) expelled. This is most likely to happen in December 2011
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | Blocher apparently decided yesterday to encourage Mr Rime into a renewed candidacy in Dec-11, in order to evict Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf | | | | | It's a long time till December 11. His followers will certainly beg him to candidate for Bundesrat. After all, nobody could be possibly be better than BDB (big daddy Blocher)
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | C) Widmer-Schlumpf was NOT (yet) expelled. This is most likely to happen in December 2011 | | | | | She was expelled in 2008 from the SVP... | Quote: | |  | | | A) I referred to the elections of yesterday, when SP and FDP kept their
two seats in accordance with the concordance | | | | | The FDP holds 47 seats in the federal assembly = received 2 seats in the executive.
The SVP holds 66 seats in the federal assembly = received 1 seat in the executive.
Concordance? | 
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | She was expelled in 2008 from the SVP...
The FDP holds 47 seats in the federal assembly = received 2 seats in the executive.
The SVP holds 66 seats in the federal assembly = received 1 seat in the executive.
Concordance?  | | | | | More accurately, the SVP received 2 seats in the executive, and expelled their executive member themselves afterwards, no? How is that the fault of parliament if the party takes unilateral action against one of its own? Do you then expect parliament to forget? Basically Parliament will think, we gave you 2 executive seats, you expelled one away, it's not a zero sum game where we then give you another and reward your petulance. I guess we can call it ABB, anyone but Blocher in the vein of Anyone But Hillary in the US for a while.
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | |
Concordance?  | | | | | I think Wollishofener has mentioned this earlier.. The BDP may be too small to have a Bundesrat, but I see them as a party representing the right wing in this country. So in a bigger picture, an additional seat for the SVP at the cost of FDP or SP would give three seats to this "right block" (which has about the same size as SP+Green). This would not reflect the parliament either. Let's see what happens in 2011.
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | It's a long time till December 11. His followers will certainly beg him to candidate for Bundesrat. After all, nobody could be possibly be better than BDB (big daddy Blocher) | | | | | Blocher knows that HIS candidacy might re-unite the other political factions in Berne against him.
BDB has been a successful businessman long enough to know that you do not have to be at the desk where the decisions are signed, it is enough if you are at the desk where the decisions are MADE !  And as he already has with Mr Maurer one ally inside and with Mr Rime another one to be inside the coalition, he knows that he does and will have all the influence possible, while leaving the hard work to others.
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24.09.2010, 16:54
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| | | Re: We have a new girlie in the Bundesrat | Quote: | |  | | | She was expelled in 2008 from the SVP...
But I referred to the point that she will be expelled from the Federal Government in 2011. Beside the point that she was expelled from the SVP clearly AFTER having become elected SVP Bundesrätin. When she accepted the election result she was clearly a member of the SVP
The FDP holds 47 seats in the federal assembly = received 2 seats in the executive.
The SVP holds 66 seats in the federal assembly = received 1 seat in the executive.
Concordance?  | | | | | Sure, as the SVP/BDP group of right-wingers has 2 seats in the Federal government. 25 plus 3 means 28 and not 40 ! Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf sits on a SVP seat, and is as far right as the SVP. FDP and CVP (plus allies) together have far more seats than SVP and BDP together, so that them having 3 seats is justified.
However, to have it the other way round, in 2011, FDP and SP risk to lose one of their two seats if they support Widmer-Schlumpf. They only can save themselves if they support Mr/Mrs SVP II .
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