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This is normal in UK, American, Canadian papers too. Often they mention the town of origin, esp in the UK.

I see nationality seldomly, almost never. As for age, it is sometimes mentioned somewhere in the article but not in brackets directly after the name.

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I see nationality seldomly, almost never. As for age, it is sometimes mentioned somewhere in the article but not in brackets directly after the name.

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I see nationality often in the British press. When Murray wins he's British and when he loses. He comes from north of the border!!
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Let's let the cat amongst the pigeons. It is Racist!!
Sadly tend to agree. There is a lot of discrimination/prejudice against poeple from the Balkans here.
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Sadly tend to agree. There is a lot of discrimination/prejudice against poeple from the Balkans here.
What are you all discussing? I thought I explained what happened quite logically in post number 10... yes, there is discrimantion in Switzerland - quite a lot actually. But this is simply the normal procedure for people who do not have a "home village" to be entered in a legal form. It has nothing to do with saying "the bloody Yugo did it", but instead is an extra data field for the police to make sure they identified the person correctly. I am sure there are some 100 Thomas Müller in Switzerland. So Thomas Müller (from Village X) is the clear identification. If you are not Swiss and do not have a Heimatgemeinde, they simply say Thomas Müller (from country X) instead...

Nothing to see here - carry on.
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Old 07.10.2010, 19:34
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I already tried, Treverus, but got groaned. It's sad.
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I already tried, Treverus, but got groaned. It's sad.
Well, to be honest: You said that the thread is stupid - I think that the original question is completely sensible: The German police would never think about putting the place of birth as an identifier but rather the current address - after all there could still be two Thomas Müller been born in a city like Zurich... but the chance that they share an apartment is rather limited. It is one of the little things that make life difficult for a foreigner - it is not logical, but they do it "because that is the way we always did it" ... and I am sure the average Swiss will find 50 arguments why their way is the only possibly correct way...
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Old 07.10.2010, 20:07
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we should start fining not for speeding but for excessive posting...and won't need to find your damn villages, you're all foreigners!
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What are you all discussing? I thought I explained what happened quite logically in post number 10... yes, there is discrimantion in Switzerland - quite a lot actually. But this is simply the normal procedure for people who do not have a "home village" to be entered in a legal form. It has nothing to do with saying "the bloody Yugo did it", but instead is an extra data field for the police to make sure they identified the person correctly. I am sure there are some 100 Thomas Müller in Switzerland. So Thomas Müller (from Village X) is the clear identification. If you are not Swiss and do not have a Heimatgemeinde, they simply say Thomas Müller (from country X) instead...

Nothing to see here - carry on.

See, I tend to see lot of Yugo traps here in Switzerland (excluding ETHZ for example).

However I was sure that for lot of them there are sensible explanations, like in this case. Thank you for clarifying.
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Old 07.10.2010, 20:28
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Well, to be honest: You said that the thread is stupid - I think that the original question is completely sensible: The German police would never think about putting the place of birth as an identifier but rather the current address - after all there could still be two Thomas Müller been born in a city like Zurich... but the chance that they share an apartment is rather limited. It is one of the little things that make life difficult for a foreigner - it is not logical, but they do it "because that is the way we always did it" ... and I am sure the average Swiss will find 50 arguments why their way is the only possibly correct way...
True, I meant the following post. I was not clear due to the groan reference. People want to see racism here, but refuse to see racism elsewhere.
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Old 07.10.2010, 20:42
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What are you all discussing? I thought I explained what happened quite logically in post number 10... yes, there is discrimantion in Switzerland - quite a lot actually. But this is simply the normal procedure for people who do not have a "home village" to be entered in a legal form. It has nothing to do with saying "the bloody Yugo did it", but instead is an extra data field for the police to make sure they identified the person correctly. I am sure there are some 100 Thomas Müller in Switzerland. So Thomas Müller (from Village X) is the clear identification. If you are not Swiss and do not have a Heimatgemeinde, they simply say Thomas Müller (from country X) instead...

Nothing to see here - carry on.
Actually, the "place of birth" instead of the "place of origin" is used in many countries, AFAIK. I do know, from personal experience that the German police will also register your nationality.

That got me in some trouble once when entering another country, because I put "XCity" on the form (it asked for the place of birth) but of course my passport says "XVillage" (place of origin). Took me quite a lot of time to explain what the difference is...

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Well, to be honest: You said that the thread is stupid - I think that the original question is completely sensible: The German police would never think about putting the place of birth as an identifier but rather the current address - after all there could still be two Thomas Müller been born in a city like Zurich... but the chance that they share an apartment is rather limited. It is one of the little things that make life difficult for a foreigner - it is not logical, but they do it "because that is the way we always did it" ... and I am sure the average Swiss will find 50 arguments why their way is the only possibly correct way...
Methinks, the swiss police will give the address as well, prolly sth. like, Trev, Erus, deutscher Staatsangehöriger, wohnhaft in XYstrasse, XY City.

In my case, that would be: Sam, Weisevielleicht, von XYVillage, wohnhaft in...

Is the place of origin necessary, certainly not. It's just a tradition for most Swiss. But for some , it is a big thing, as for example "Bernburger" (people with Bern as their place of origin) are members of by far the richest private "association" in Switzerland.
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Old 07.10.2010, 23:21
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Valid possibilities to your original question was given. People even pointed out that you probably know your own nationality. And yet you're still asking why a few posts up ...
If you cared to read. Someone asked again...nah...never mind....move on....if the thread is so dumb why do you keep coming back?

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That did sound much more racist than the nationality of the guy on the paper... But I prefered to call it judgemental.... oups!
Yeah it did. But you know me...I am not like that
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Valid possibilities to your original question was given. People even pointed out that you probably know your own nationality. And yet you're still asking why a few posts up ...

I'm with Lex and Nil on this one.
Forgot to mention....shitty reason. I also know my own name, location of the accident, name of the other part etc. etc. but they mentioned that in the letter anyway......!!
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Old 07.10.2010, 23:32
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Forgot to mention....shitty reason. I also know my own name, location of the accident, name of the other part etc. etc. but they mentioned that in the letter anyway......!!
For legal reasons to describe the incident, obviously. Otherwise, it would be a blank letter.

But I could imagine that if worded a certain way, this could be valid. When are you gonna scan the letter for us so we can decide.
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Now I will put my Swiss hat on.

I am more perturbed about the fact that you translated you motorcycle licence. Swiss standards are much higher than other countries for driving tests. The Swiss motorcycle course and test is quite tough with exacting standards.

Those who are not up to Swiss standard are far more likely to cause accidents.

The other driver may have taken his driving test in Switzerland and so would, obviously be more competent.

So I wouldn't question the Stadtverwaltung about racism, it might backfire.
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For legal reasons to describe the incident, obviously. Otherwise, it would be a blank letter.

But I could imagine that if worded a certain way, this could be valid. When are you gonna scan the letter for us so we can decide.
Not possible. It was signed and returned.

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Now I will put my Swiss hat on.

I am more perturbed about the fact that you translated you motorcycle licence. Swiss standards are much higher than other countries for driving tests. The Swiss motorcycle course and test is quite tough with exacting standards.

Those who are not up to Swiss standard are far more likely to cause accidents.

The other driver may have taken his driving test in Switzerland and so would, obviously be more competent.

So I wouldn't question the Stadtverwaltung about racism, it might backfire.
Trying to be funny...huh? I had the right of way, the other guy didn't. He pulled out in front of me. End of story.
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Trying to be funny...huh? I had the right of way, the other guy didn't. He pulled out in front of me. End of story.
I think you might be missing Hoppy's point. She isn't suggesting for one minute that you are guilty of causing this accident, nor that you are a less competent driver than the other chap.

She is merely suggesting that, from a Swiss perspective, the fact that you passed your test in a foreign country makes you a bit dodgy in their eyes (not that they'd ever admit it), and that you might be better dropping the issue of the fact that they may or may not have had xenophobic motives for naming the nationality of the other driver.

Of course, you have dropped the matter, so it's all hypothetical now. But that's what I interpreted Hoppy's post as meaning.
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Old 08.10.2010, 00:30
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I am more perturbed about the fact that you translated you motorcycle licence. Swiss standards are much higher than other countries for driving tests. The Swiss motorcycle course and test is quite tough with exacting standards.
This is complete rubbish - driving education in most other European countries is far tougher than here!

I filled out some paperwork, bought a bike, slapped an "L" sticker on the back and am allowed to drive around without knowing anything about it - this is fairly dangerous and pretty unique in the world. The bike was not limited - on the contrary: It had to have a MINIMUM of 50 bhp!

My wife made her car license here and I had to do much more stuff in Germany - we had compulsory lessons for night driving or Autobahn driving. Here we again slapped an L on my car and she was ok to practice...
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Not any more, but there was a country called Serbia-Montenegro, and this chap might have entered Switzerland and got his permit while that country existed, so that is what is written on his documents.
right, many people from "the Balkans" still have either "Federal Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia" passports or Serbia&Montenegro passports and many Kosovari of course now have either kind.

But this is not a new phenomena. An Egyptian in about 1902 could quite legally have THREE passports, a British one as Egypt was under British rule, an Egyptian one as there was that Kingdom of Egypt and a Turkish one as Egypt nominally still was part of the Turkish Empire


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True, the other day, after a domestic dispute in a Geneva suburb that ended tragically (a man killed his wife then himself in front of their 4 children), I noticed that Tribune de Geneve reported that the husband was from Vaud and the wife from Geneva. Vaudois are also foreigners, n'est-ce pas?
For sure if in Geneva ! So, to mention that somebody is Vaudois and not a native Genevois is "de rigeur"


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Well, to be honest: You said that the thread is stupid - I think that the original question is completely sensible: The German police would never think about putting the place of birth as an identifier but rather the current address - after all there could still be two Thomas Müller been born in a city like Zurich... but the chance that they share an apartment is rather limited. It is one of the little things that make life difficult for a foreigner - it is not logical, but they do it "because that is the way we always did it" ... and I am sure the average Swiss will find 50 arguments why their way is the only possibly correct way...
The "place of birth" is irrelevant in Switzerland, what counts is /are the place(s) of citizenship ! And this has absolutely nothing to do with the place where you were born.


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Sadly tend to agree. There is a lot of discrimination/prejudice against poeple from the Balkans here.
There arnt many that will disagree - and yes people from the Balkans will cop more than their fair share of discrimination - no arguments there.

But I have to say, a lot of 'other' stories are also grossly overexaggerated by foreigners having a bad experience, creating their own stories and then telling other foreigners like its a stamped fact. Take this thread from the OP for example - Someones nationality gets printed on a paper, and its racism - spin the story a few times, go back to Denmark and end up telling everyone the swiss are racists . Then when other people from Denmark come here, guess what the first thought in their heads pops up as!

I also always thought the swiss are 'picking on me', until i met my white swiss girlfriend and saw that she has exactly the same problems. Its just the way it is, NO they dont smile at her at many shops and they dont even care she's there... its just how it is. Yes, they are rude at government offices often and yes we get funny looks by people in the mountains. Its got nothing to do with colour or race and 95% of the time it has nothing to do with racism. She is swiss, and like many of us, she hates these attitudes too. People should just accept it as part of a culture - the swiss dont put on fake smiles like they do in the US and UK and pretend they are your long lost friends - some like it, others dont.

But yes, I can understand that 'joe blog' who chooses and doesnt mix with any swiss and lives within his own expat world thinks that everytime a swiss says something bad to him or looks at him funny, that it must be cause they hate him or its racist. The swiss just cop it because the large expat community here continues to spin it (not always so of course!) - and when he experiences this 'negative' situation, the conclusion becomes obvious. Most expats know about the SVP before they even get off the plane or cross the border.

But thats possibly just me, as unlike most expats, I dont feel repelled by swiss culture and so i mix more with the swiss than other expats. Personally, ive experienced more discrimination in Australia than in CH. C'est la vie
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I think you might be missing Hoppy's point.
Umm....maybe, but I agree with Treverus on this one.

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This is complete rubbish - driving education in most other European countries is far tougher than here!

I filled out some paperwork, bought a bike, slapped an "L" sticker on the back and am allowed to drive around without knowing anything about it - this is fairly dangerous and pretty unique in the world. The bike was not limited - on the contrary: It had to have a MINIMUM of 50 bhp!
Like I said above, I fully agree........

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Take this thread from the OP for example - Someones nationality gets printed on a paper, and its racism - spin the story a few times, go back to Denmark and end up telling everyone the swiss are racists . Then when other people from Denmark come here, guess what the first thought in their heads pops up as!
I did not state it was racism.....I asked if it is.

And no...I don't tell stories about racism in DK. I don't think Swiss people are racists. I have only met friendly people on my way to become as swiss as I can possible get (and that is what I tell them folks back home).
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