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Re: Is this racism?

To be fair, I don't like obeying rules either. Especially silly ones. Like only cross on a green man, regardless of the fact there is not traffic. Or never, ever thinking for yourself.

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I see nationality often in the British press. When Murray wins he's British and when he loses. He comes from north of the border!!
Murray was in Dumblane, and saw four of his classmates get shot. Just thought it's an interesting point

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This is complete rubbish - driving education in most other European countries is far tougher than here!

I filled out some paperwork, bought a bike, slapped an "L" sticker on the back and am allowed to drive around without knowing anything about it - this is fairly dangerous and pretty unique in the world. The bike was not limited - on the contrary: It had to have a MINIMUM of 50 bhp!
Here we again slapped an L on my car and she was ok to practice...
It's pretty much the same in GB, and the USA, I'll warrant. Not as unique as you think...
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Old 08.10.2010, 16:20
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Re: Is this racism?

mhh... sorry, someone has to say this: they did not mention your nationality in order not be racist (Danish right... ufff) ;-D
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Re: Is this racism?

Totally off topic (sorry) Murray was in Dumblane but never so any of his classmates killed as he was older than all the poor kids that losts their lives that day!
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Old 08.10.2010, 20:40
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If you want to see really bad driving or ease of passing a test come to the US! Nothing worse than an 15 year-old (in a massive SUV to keep them safe) barrelling down the road while texting friends.

In the UK and Switzerland I learned to use my side mirrors to regularly check for bikes, here you rarely see anyone use their passenger side mirror properly
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Old 08.10.2010, 23:15
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This is complete rubbish - driving education in most other European countries is far tougher than here!

I filled out some paperwork, bought a bike, slapped an "L" sticker on the back and am allowed to drive around without knowing anything about it - this is fairly dangerous and pretty unique in the world. The bike was not limited - on the contrary: It had to have a MINIMUM of 50 bhp!

My wife made her car license here and I had to do much more stuff in Germany - we had compulsory lessons for night driving or Autobahn driving. Here we again slapped an L on my car and she was ok to practice...
These are the categories:

Kategorie A (beschränkt) Motorräder mit einer Motorleistung von nicht mehr als 25 kW und einem Verhältnis von Motorleistung und Leergewicht von nicht mehr als 0,16 kW/kg

Kategorie A Motorräder mit einer Motorleistung von mehr als 25 kW und einem Verhältnis von Motorleistung und Leergewicht von mehr als 0,16 kW/kg

http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/ds/st...ategorien.html


Basically you do Category A (limited) first.
You have to take the theory test, then take a course about 12 hours in different environments and obstacle courses, then drive for a while get experience and take a the lower category test. each stage is cntingent upon passing the previous stage.

As far as I know you are not allowed to drive alone before you have taken and seen as capable on the course. You take the test on your bike with the examiner driving behind you on another bike giving you directions as you go along.

If you pass, you drive for two years in this category before proceeding to the higher category. After you have passed the practical test you have to wait for two years to gain experience to move on to the higher category, which as far as I remember follows the same procedure as the lower category.

We knew an Australian who had no problem driving previously who failed the test 3 times in Switzerland, he said that it was much more difficult, than the test back home.

If you got a bike, just slapped an L on the back and took off I would watch out, but then I am a stickler for following rules, do everything by the book.

If you can read German then it is all here in more detail. I checked a few different knatons I think that the procedure is pretty much standard across kantons at least in the German-speaking region

http://www.ag.ch/strassenverkehrsamt...ategorie_a.pdf
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Old 08.10.2010, 23:16
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If you can read German...


I think Treverus will probably get by with the help of google translate...
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Old 08.10.2010, 23:26
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I think Treverus will probably get by with the help of google translate...
I forget - is Treverus from the French or Romansch speaking part of Germany?
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Old 08.10.2010, 23:49
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This thread is great! It shows that Wolllishofener finally has learned how the multi-quote function works!
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Old 09.10.2010, 00:59
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Uninformed Blahhhhhhh

Basically you do Category A (limited) first.
You have to take the theory test, then take a course about 12 hours in different environments and obstacle courses, then drive for a while get experience and take a the lower category test. each stage is cntingent upon passing the previous stage.

More uninformed Blahhhhhhh

As far as I know you are not allowed to drive alone before you have taken and seen as capable on the course.

Even more uninformed Blahhhh
You have managed to put so much of wrong information into one post that I am feeling a bit dizzy. Ok, in short: I am over 25, so I do not need to do the limited one, but can directly do the unlimited license - even the Strassenverkehrsamt will suggest you to do so. To do so, you need to buy a bike with at least 50 bhp, fill out some papers to get your "Lernfahrerausweis" and your are done: You are allowed to ride and practice on your own on the street. Don't tell me any bullshit, I went throught the process and was actually standing in front of a heavy bike and had no clue how to operate it. In principle does the system expect you to have a mate that teaches you.

You have to do a course, but you are expected to be able to ride BEFORE you go there - and it is in no way a test - you pass by taking part. Then you can ride around for another year and need to make an exam at the end.

I honestly have no clue why you actually write so long posts on administrative processes of a country you do not live in - or know as well as you pretend. I am wasting quite some time here, but your posts are so completely useless that I really wonder why you do them...
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Old 09.10.2010, 03:41
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This is complete rubbish - driving education in most other European countries is far tougher than here!

I filled out some paperwork, bought a bike, slapped an "L" sticker on the back and am allowed to drive around without knowing anything about it - this is fairly dangerous and pretty unique in the world. The bike was not limited - on the contrary: It had to have a MINIMUM of 50 bhp!

My wife made her car license here and I had to do much more stuff in Germany - we had compulsory lessons for night driving or Autobahn driving. Here we again slapped an L on my car and she was ok to practice...
I cannot say anything about the motorbikes. But in case of motor cars, if you allow someone of the family or a friend to drive with your car during the "L" period you have to be fully aware of some things
- the driver must have an active "L" permit
- the driver must be taking real driving lessons
- you have to be around ALL the time
- you are fully and absolutely responsible and liable

Be aware of the fact that drivers testers find out weaknesses of candidates very swiftly and find enough reasons to send a candidate back

I deeply distrust anybody who claims to have passed by the first attempt. The person either is lying, or is involved in some kind of corruption
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The other day I got a letter from "Der Stadtverwaltung Winterthur" as a final act of my bike (motor cycle that is) accident in June.

The letter was just to inform me that since I did not press charges against the other person involved in the accident within the 3 month window, the case is to be considered closed.

In the letter both parties were mentioned by name of course but the nationality of the other dude (he is from Serbia and Montenegro) was also mentioned but mine not (Danish).

I am thinking.......is this racism? Does the official Swiss i.e. in this case the Stadtverwaltung Winterthur, thinks that is worth mentioning because he is from eastern Europe, or what could the purpose be?

Maybe I am thinking too much
you are thinking too much and obviously eff all to do with your time.

what is danish?
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You have managed to put so much of wrong information into one post that I am feeling a bit dizzy. Ok, in short: I am over 25, so I do not need to do the limited one, but can directly do the unlimited license - even the Strassenverkehrsamt will suggest you to do so. To do so, you need to buy a bike with at least 50 bhp, fill out some papers to get your "Lernfahrerausweis" and your are done: You are allowed to ride and practice on your own on the street. Don't tell me any bullshit, I went throught the process and was actually standing in front of a heavy bike and had no clue how to operate it. In principle does the system expect you to have a mate that teaches you.

You have to do a course, but you are expected to be able to ride BEFORE you go there - and it is in no way a test - you pass by taking part. Then you can ride around for another year and need to make an exam at the end.

I honestly have no clue why you actually write so long posts on administrative processes of a country you do not live in - or know as well as you pretend. I am wasting quite some time here, but your posts are so completely useless that I really wonder why you do them...
And now a word about the motorbikes. The reason why CH is fairly liberal in regard to the motorbikes is the fact that CH accident statistics show that exactly the categories which do not need a licence are the ones with the highest number of accidents. So that the basic idea is to encourage motorbike drivers to get registered, to get some basic and serious instructions.
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The other day I got a letter from "Der Stadtverwaltung Winterthur" as a final act of my bike (motor cycle that is) accident in June.

The letter was just to inform me that since I did not press charges against the other person involved in the accident within the 3 month window, the case is to be considered closed.

In the letter both parties were mentioned by name of course but the nationality of the other dude (he is from Serbia and Montenegro) was also mentioned but mine not (Danish).

I am thinking.......is this racism? Does the official Swiss i.e. in this case the Stadtverwaltung Winterthur, thinks that is worth mentioning because he is from eastern Europe, or what could the purpose be?

Maybe I am thinking too much
Definitely thinking too much! lol!

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Definitely thinking too much! lol!

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No Darcy, try not thinking at all !
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you are thinking too much and obviously eff all to do with your time.

what is danish?
May I suggest you do a bit of thinking yourself.

Danish is a piece of pastry and yes.....I am a little cake filled with sweet yellow cream.
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May I suggest you do a bit of thinking yourself.

Danish is a piece of pastry and yes.....I am a little cake filled with sweet yellow cream.
Danish Puff or turnover?
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Danish Puff?
Nah. I think he's straight.
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Dickish behavior isn't always racism.
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I think you're just over thinking.

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Today it is even rasism if you ask someone from which country he comes from.
I think it is. In my case I look like I could be from so many places that I never liked when people in America ask and dislike it here even more. The problem is once they get an answer the stereotyping begins. Now days I just answer "I am human" then sit back watch as some go nuts. It's very entertaining particularly because I'm often labeled a middle eastern terrorist.
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Re: Is this racism?

Can't say that this particular incident is racism but yes it is there in Switzerland
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