I don't think someone will say it out loud if even a prostitute rejected him...

I would never pay for it because part of the fun is knowing that the person is really attracted to me and that I have a real, definite sexual power over him. But then women generally don't pay as long as they are in some way attractive to someone that they like too.

What I would put forth is that there is no clear line between prostitution and "a beneficial relationship". One of my more conservative friends was positively disgusted at my attitude that it is perfectly fine to have a guy pay for everything if he wants to, as long as you are not leading him on. And if "everything" includes a trip to some exotic location, then that is fine by me too. Does that mean he paid for me or did he simply feel that it was a cost that went with having my company? Or that it was something I was probably never going to be able to afford myself, thus giving me an experience I would not have had otherwise? Sharing of wealth, so to speak?

We all pay other people to do things we can't do for ourselves and get paid to do things we rather wouldn't do at times. If we can afford to, we help others and sometimes they give us something in return. What makes prostitution a problem to me is not the job in itself, but the collateral damage that goes with it. Not for all women but for a large proportion of them.

As Kittster says, besides regular "by-the-hour" prostitution, there's a whole grey area of beneficial relationships. There are services that help wealthy men meet women looking for longer-term sponsorship. It's a bit like dating services to help men find mistresses, in return for the payment of her apartment, study fees, etc.

eg.
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/
http://www.travelgirls.com
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com

I'm not offended, I'm curious. If all these things are so crystal clear, why the police doesn't take any further steps? I understand they are very young (still teenagers, maybe under age). How comes a country like Ch is tolerating this "influx"? For instance in Romania there is an "influx" from neighbouring countries (perhaps it's only a halt towards West) but I don't expect things to be addressed so quickly.
Ok., these are questions you can't answer probably (please note it's not like I'm saying it's your fault).

Sex is a different matter entirely, For many people sex is about power and control and there in lies the problem.

"An estimated half million women are trafficked annually for the purpose of sexual slavery. They are "exported" to over 50 countries including Britain, Italy, Japan, Germany, Israel, Turkey, China, Kosovo, Canada and the United States. Misunderstood and widely tolerated, sex trafficking has become a multi- billion dollar underground industry.

According to the International Herald Tribune, human trafficking is the fastest growing form of organized crime in Eastern Europe. Kidnapped and/or lured by those who prey on their dreams, their poverty, and their naiveté, Eastern European women are trafficked to foreign lands -- often with falsified visas -- where they become modern day sex slaves. Upon arrival, they are sold to pimps, drugged, terrorized, caged in brothels and raped repeatedly. For these women and young girls, there is no life, no liberty and no chance for a happy and meaningful future." An estimated half million women are trafficked annually for the purpose of sexual slavery. They are "exported" to over 50 countries including Britain, Italy, Japan, Germany, Israel, Turkey, China, Kosovo, Canada and the United States. Misunderstood and widely tolerated, sex trafficking has become a multi- billion dollar underground industry."

For those of you who think its a nicy nice world out there where woman gladly sell their bodies to you for a few lousy francs and think your actions don't have any consequences just watch this documentary. It could be your sister or daughter.

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/sexslaves.html

It's very complicated - how do you protect the women from their pimps? What if the pimps have threatened to harm their families at home if they don't bring in cash? The simplified procedure for moving around Europe has opened the doors to these chaps and they are not about to leave the cash cow that is Switzerland. The only thing I could see would be helpful is that all punters boycott prostitutes that may not be working voluntarily. But some people get a kick out of someone being "down on their luck", "inferior", at least in the guy's eyes. Sexual preferences are so intricate and complicated with some people, they must be considering the sort of woman who still manages to pull aboard punters, like the lady I sometimes see who's arms are covered in bruises and who is skeletal and still does tricks. She looks profoundly ill and unkempt, yet someone still pays her for her favours.

Maybe the attraction is negotiating the rate, I imagine that could be quite funny, arguing the finer details and special deals before hand.


Has anyone seen personal services with Julie Walters?

While this is true and well worth considering, especially for the guys who are planning bachelor parties in Eastern Europe because "The beer is cheap and so are the women!", there are definitely women who make a conscious and informed choice to sell their bodies. She may be a bit of an exception but Belle de Jour wrote a very entertaining blog about her job as an escort. Doesn't strike me as being the soul-destroying hell that most have in mind for prostitutes.

But I accept that most guys visiting hookers probably don't give a monkeys about that woman's emotional state or perspectives for the future. That's the whole point of paying a woman for her favours, it means you don't have to care.

Valid point but I still remember watching men squirm in their seats watching the scene from the movie Deliverance. Funny how those things work.

Maybe some women get their kicks like that, what do we know

ARGH! Have you lost your mind? A grown man paying for sex with a 16yr old IS shameful. If you think 16 is old enough for a girl to be in a paid4sex arena then you are utterly bonkers. You say you don't condone it but at the same time you are putting it in the same bracket as a 16yr old having sex with a teenage boy. It's totally different.

The age limit for prositution needs to be at least 21, that said if someone gave me free rein with the legislative pen i'd make it 25. Anyone below that age doesn't have the emotional resources to set appropriate boundaries.

Oh man, compound leg fractures give me the shivers!

Or, were you talking about the rape scene?


Prostitutes are in business. The world's oldest, so the saying goes. Yes, some girls and women are effectively forced into it, and in those cases you could compare their plight to rape- I would.

But here in the West I think it's safe to say for the sake of argument they are in it for the money. If were are going to get all moralisticky about things then off we go down the slippery slope---- sex for money between a willing seller and buyer is wrong? And the Chinese keyboards we're all typing on? Ah, yes some Chinese factories are pretty good, but I could link to a bajillion pics and articles depicting factories with workers sleeping in corners between their 14 hour shifts, children roped to the wall, etc. etc. blah blah. And a gajillion other examples of how we all take advantage of disadvantaged people without a second thought, every day.

The sex industry is just such a safe and easy target, and like a politician who says, "well, yes, we do have to raise taxes- a lot!", siding with the prostitutes and Johns is a tricky fence to walk . Tut tut, wrong wrong!

Read this book---and you'll find that i-b-deborah is right!

Sex At Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality

http://www.sexatdawn.com/

1 in 5 blokes if you look at numbers only. How many, er, punters are repeat visitors.

It could be 1 in 50 of the population going 10 times each

I am actually surprised how many people do use prostitutes.
I would say that 25% of my UK clients; married and single; have visited prostitutes and I am not talking one off visits.
It also surprises me that anyone under 30 would even concider paying for sex because it seems pretty available for free.

I would also say that over the last 5 years or so; it actually seems to be acceptable to go with prostitutes (maybe not with the wife).
You see some of these well to artistocrats and business men and sons of these that are actually seen in public with these well known "Party Girls" often from East Europe and well known as High Class Prostitutes attached to their arm.

I don't know Cashboy, I suppose what you've mentioned above seems like a win-win situation.
Unlike this
@Kittser,
I think you've got a valid point when saying there are definitely women who make a conscious and informed choice to sell their bodies, as some examples in this article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6999209.ece

Actually it was 1 in 5 going at least once per year - unique visitors if you like. So yes, 1 out of every 5 of DB's mates.

Of course, some of those will be going more than once per year so the number of visits is a factor x higher than that.

Mine was a tongue and cheek comment back to kittster's comment "most guys visiting hookers probably don't give a monkeys about that woman's emotional state or perspectives for the future."

But seriously do you think the majority of prostitutes are 100% willing participants here in the west. Have a look at the statistics.

I don't agree with your comparison of prostitutes to Chinese factory workers, that this somehow makes us all complicit in taking advantage of the disadvantaged. When western companies are exposed for their unfair labor or child labor practices their brand is damaged significantly.

I'm not saying that sex for money is wrong on the contrary I think it should be legalized and properly regulated so everyone is fully protected. For me this is more than a moral issue it is a public health issue.

I agree, if a woman chooses to make profit from her body, then she should be allowed to do so. Conversely, if a man chooses to remunerate a woman for time spent with him, I see no crime. The "crime" starts when these actions have negative effects on "third parties" and I also disagree with the fact that having been "identified" as a prostitute means you can't work for the police, the airport or any other of those types of jobs. There are various reasons why people are so outraged at this job, to some it's the commercialisation of something they perceive to be almost holy, to others it's the notion that prostitution spreads disease (under current conditions it probably does), a third person fears that it must be against the woman's will, and so on. But it is a fact that prostitution always will exist and that condemning it will a) not change anything about the negative sides of it and b) make it even more enticing to the kind of guy who uses hookers BECAUSE it is seedy and "morally wrong".

Is regulation the way to go? I'm not sure. There should be laws against certain high-risk practices (but then you'd have to extend that to non-commercial bedroom antics too...) as well as a maximum amount that an agency/club is allowed to deduct from the girls' pay. But if you asked all women to register and make tests obligatory like in Austria, I think you'd have more women who only have that career as a choice working in the trade. A minimum age of 25 is unrealistic because there is a huge demand for very young women, for those women men couldn't get when they were young and can now afford to pay for. But I'd set it at 21.