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Old 24.02.2012, 16:47
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STill not clear on the issue of driving after you've handed in the grey card AND the plates. It's just kind of a pain to get to the MFK from where I live via public transport (a couple of hours just to get there and back). Can you still drive it back home once you've given them the plates back or not? I would guess not.
You don't hand in the grey card, they cancel it and give it back to you. The new owners take the cancelled grey card to his MFK place to get a new grey card.

The card is cancelled but you can drive up to 23.59hrs as insurance etc is only canclled as of next day or you can usualy get a 24 hour extrension if you ask and give a valid reason, ie got to drive to garage tomorrow or whatever. The car is still insured, no preoblem, you drive without plates and if and when you get stopped show them the cancelled grey card and absolutely NO PROBLEMS !
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The card is cancelled but you can drive up to 23.59hrs as insurance etc is only canclled as of next day or you can usualy get a 24 hour extrension if you ask and give a valid reason, ie got to drive to garage tomorrow or whatever. The car is still insured, no preoblem, you drive without plates and if and when you get stopped show them the cancelled grey card and absolutely NO PROBLEM!
I suspect you haven't tried this on your own though.

Even if the insurance would be "cancelled the next day" (which it isn't... but nevermind) you're not the policy carrier, so you're not insured anyway.

On top of that I call your attention to SVG art. 10 (no access to public roads sans grey card and plates) and SVG 11 (no grey card sans insurance).

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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

WHAT?????????!!!!! The grey card is stamped and canceled when the stamp time runs out i.e you go get a stamp and have the 24 hours to get the car to where it needs to be, card is still valid until this time.. You DO NOT drive the car with no plates!!! If you gave the plates back and got the stamp I would assume the SVK guy wold not for a second assume the car was parked outside unless another person was about to put his plates / insurance on it!

Shorrick Mk2 is exactly right it is ILLEGAL to drive a car without plates on unless you have a trade plate and even so this must be displayed on the car at which point the liability insurance is connected to the plate and NOT the person or vehicle.

You either go in get the stamp, return the car home, to dealer as the case may be and take the plates in by other means later or you take the book and the plates in by other means after the car is in it's final place.
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

Effectively nmy post was wrong, appologies. When i did it kept the plates as i was putting thme on a new car about 3 days later, so the grey card was cancelled but post dated by 24 or 48 hours, but the plates remained on the car for this time.

You can do it this way and then return the plates via the post office, sorry for confusion & tks Shorrick for jogging my failing memory a little !
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Old 24.02.2012, 19:55
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STill not clear on the issue of driving after you've handed in the grey card AND the plates. It's just kind of a pain to get to the MFK from where I live via public transport (a couple of hours just to get there and back). Can you still drive it back home once you've given them the plates back or not? I would guess not.
Once the seller gets the old plates he can also post them back to his own MFK office, all the MFK have special long envelopes! Or you can wrap them in brown paper and post them back.

As told already, once the seller's MFK has the old plates back they inform the insurance office and the seller's insurance is suspended. At this point you can change insurance companies. The remaining value can be paid out at the end of the year, or credited to the next car policy.
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Once the seller gets the old plates he can also post them back to his own MFK office, all the MFK have special long envelopes! Or you can wrap them in brown paper and post them back.
Or you can simply chuck them in a mailbox and Die Post will take care of them.
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Old 25.02.2012, 03:51
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I suspect you haven't tried this on your own though.

Even if the insurance would be "cancelled the next day" (which it isn't... but nevermind) you're not the policy carrier, so you're not insured anyway.

On top of that I call your attention to SVG art. 10 (no access to public roads sans grey card and plates) and SVG 11 (no grey card sans insurance).
Art. 8 SR 741.31 Verkehrsversicherungsverordnung (VVV) Clearly states that the insurance is canceled the following day. So go to the STVA get your gray card annulled, drive back home with plates still attached. Now you sell your car and you can give the buyer the annulled gray card immediately. Send your plates to STVA.

How can the buyer drive away with your car?
a) Tow the car Art. 69 SVG, Art. 72 VZV
b) Get temporary plates Art. 20 VVV, but he needs a copy of the gray card.
c) He has dealer plates Art. 22 VVV.
d) He uses his own plate from his recently salvaged car. Art. 10b VVV
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Art. 8 SR 741.31 Verkehrsversicherungsverordnung (VVV) Clearly states that the insurance is canceled the following day
The next day i.e. starting 00h01 min you are not insured any longer...
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

Hi all,
I have a slightly strange question with regards the transfer of car ownership.

I am buying a car from a friend who has now left for Australia.
He has handed the plates in but had lost is grey card. This has now been replaced and is in my possession.

I now need something to prove I own the car. Since the current owner is in Australia, what can I do? Can he write a letter signing the car over to me or does he have to fill out a form?

I need to have the paperwork in order as I will then be importing the car into France.

Nothing is ever simple and I have a feeling this might be a paper chase so any advice would be great.
Thanks.
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Old 04.12.2013, 14:47
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

You don't need any proof in CH, you just show the paper.
Export dealers buy without any paperwork & cash transaction, never an issue.
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

Thanks fatmanfilms.
Can I really import a car into France without any proof of ownership? Do I not need to have something signed by the former owner to prove that I now own?
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Old 04.12.2013, 23:47
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

Who knows about France.

However, in CH, there is no document to prove ownership.

Easiest, register it in CH in your name, then import it to France.

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Thanks fatmanfilms.
Can I really import a car into France without any proof of ownership? Do I not need to have something signed by the former owner to prove that I now own?
The French will happily take VAT from you when you go to get the customs clearance form, do you think they care who pays as long as someone does
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

Hello,

Digging out this thread. I got one question:

I just bought a[nother] motorcycle to a private owner and it is a bit far from my place. I was wondering, according to this article >> Art. 10b VVV (see below quote). Can I insure the motorbike, take my current bike plate and put it on the new one, only to bring it back home and then go to the MFK do the new papering stuff ?

It seems I can do it when reading the article, but I used google translation so I will be careful before assuming it is an accurate translation from german to english

Btw, I live in Basel and go somewhere between Neuchatel and Geneva (don't know if it matters).

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Art. 8 SR 741.31 Verkehrsversicherungsverordnung (VVV) Clearly states that the insurance is canceled the following day. So go to the STVA get your gray card annulled, drive back home with plates still attached. Now you sell your car and you can give the buyer the annulled gray card immediately. Send your plates to STVA.

How can the buyer drive away with your car?
a) Tow the car Art. 69 SVG, Art. 72 VZV
b) Get temporary plates Art. 20 VVV, but he needs a copy of the gray card.
c) He has dealer plates Art. 22 VVV.
d) He uses his own plate from his recently salvaged car. Art. 10b VVV
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

you can not use the plate on a vehicle unless it is registered to that vehicle!

you can ask the person to send you the papers and you can get a new plate or register your current plate for both motorcycles

or you can get a one day plate which includes insurance and costs 60chf
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

To do this, you must have invalidate the gray card of the other bike, or have it at least being mailed to be invalided. Additionally, the new gray card must also being mailed (dropped into a yellow post letter box) for holder change. Additionally, insurance must have sent insurance coverage to the registration place. And lastly you must fill in the form in Appendix 5.
Print page 61 of this PDF and fill in the relevant details and carry it while riding the new bike:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...000/741.31.pdf

Edit: Here the form as a PDF which can be filled in and printed. http://www.polizei.bs.ch/dms/polizei...rechtigung.pdf

Edit2: They also mention that you should have a photo copy of both gray cards.
http://www.polizei.bs.ch/verkehr/mot...e/wechsel.html
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Re: Car Ownership Transfer

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To do this, you must have invalidate the gray card of the other bike, [...]
I am still using the current motorbike, thus sounds like better not touch current plate. Not the plan for me. I guess I will ask to be sent the cancelled registration paper, go change and pick up the bike with new doc & plate.

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To do this, you must have invalidate the gray card of the other bike
No, you can just get the new bike added to the other plate.

Get insurance, go to STVA, get new bike added to current plate, take plate off current bike and put on new bike.

I have two sets of bikes with swapable plates.

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No, you can just get the new bike added to the other plate.

Get insurance, go to STVA, get new bike added to current plate, take plate off current bike and put on new bike.

I have two sets of bikes with swapable plates.

Tom
He wants to ride it even before he was at the STVA Like from the second he handed over the money and got the gray card.
For this the steps are: Get insurance quote (a simple phone call), make photocopy (not needed by law, but makes things simpler), fill in form, post gray cards, ride. Technically you must walk to the next letter box and then back to the bike. But I am sure most will ride to the box.
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He wants to ride it even before he was at the STVA Like from the second he handed over the money and got the gray card.
Yes, but he also doesn't want to deregister the old bike!

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