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Speeding ticket in company car in France. Can payment be enforced?

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We have a swiss company registered car which can legally be driven by company employees and non company persons The car was recently driven by a non company person in France and a speeding ticket sent to us in the company name

Does anyone know how this works and does the company have to pay the french speeding ticket?

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Old 22.08.2011, 11:31
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Re: advise welcome

Normally your company can either:

a) pay up and the driver remains unidentified or
b) identify the driver and they will be pursued.

If the driver is not engaged in company business then (a) is not appropriate use of company funds.

In neither case is the fine tax-deductible.

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Old 22.08.2011, 11:32
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Surely you know who the driver is? Give it to them, tell them to pay it and slow down next time.

If they refuse to pay it you can give their name to the French police but I'm pretty sure you'll just have to pay yourself.
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he sais it is allowed to be driven by non company persons....?

but yes on the back of the ticket there will be something to sign if you are the driver. if not you can fill out the info needed and the driver will be persued
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Thanks for the advise Was wondering whether the French authorities can enforce these kinds of fines here in Switzerland

The driver was a friend who has now returned to the UK
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Old 22.08.2011, 12:39
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Thanks for the advise Was wondering whether the French authorities can enforce these kinds of fines here in Switzerland

The driver was a friend who has now returned to the UK

yes, there are bilateral agreements with pretty much all of the eu now regarding speeding and parking offenses, so no more get out of jail free cards anywhere
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Thanks for the advise Was wondering whether the French authorities can enforce these kinds of fines here in Switzerland
The Swiss authorities will enforce them on their behalf.

Just tell the guy to pay you and you'll pay the fine with no reprecussions for him. Otherwise you'll name him to the French police and it'll be his problem.
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Old 22.08.2011, 12:46
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Re: Speeding ticket in company car in France. Can payment be enforced?

Off Topic - PLEASE guys, use titles which give us a just a hint about the question or matter being discussed.

Wrong Forum, request simply 'for advice'...
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Re: Speeding ticket in company car in France. Can payment be enforced?

With all due respect to all the posters here, has anyone had any real experience with the process if you just discard the French fine? I'm led to believe that despite the new bilaterals that minor infringement aren't always followed up (up to 30km/h over the indicated limit).
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Re: Speeding ticket in company car in France. Can payment be enforced?

Yes, a colleague was asked to front up to their local police station after he ignored a French fine. The end result was the fine plus an administrative charge of CHF120. I guess he tried it out but wasn't so lucky.
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Re: Speeding ticket in company car in France. Can payment be enforced?

In addition the cost of sending an employee to the police station to 'fess up will outweigh the cost of the fine (which was not incurred by an employee anyway). You cannot risk the reputation of your company being sullied by Betreibungs.

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yes, there are bilateral agreements with pretty much all of the eu now regarding speeding and parking offenses, so no more get out of jail free cards anywhere
When cars have no country sticker (e.g. GB, CH) I wonder how the authorities manage to work it out? Some are easy e.g. German, Belgium and French cars, but others just have a number or in the case of GB a private plate which may or may not be on a standard background.
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When cars have no country sticker (e.g. GB, CH) I wonder how the authorities manage to work it out? Some are easy e.g. German, Belgium and French cars, but others just have a number or in the case of GB a private plate which may or may not be on a standard background.

which means you've committed even more offenses if your plate doesn't have a county identifier on then you have to have a country sticker.

they also look at the photo for things like dealer adverts in the window etc

I did a couple of contracts for transport for london, and they have a whole department dedicated to finding the cars the anpr camera's couldn't read properly
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In fact you want to know what are your chances to escape from paying the fine...

Cross border collaboration in the EC is almost fully operational now. Either you deal directly with the french police or the swiss police will be asked to deal with the matter, adding administrative fees/taxes.

When in France in the near future with the same car/license plates, you might get stopped by police and go through a lot of hassle also with added fees.

So, as said by AhYesBut, your company can either:
a) pay up and the driver remains unidentified or
b) identify the driver and they will be pursued.
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Yes both ways, and you believe wrongly:

My car on was still on French plates, and I got zapped near Hoch Ybrig, ticket was sent to France to an empty house, after a period, the Swiss rozzers wrote to the closest gendarmerie (never feck with them) not the municipal police, who paid 2 visits to the house and finally knocked on my neighbours door and I was contacted that way. Fine for being 3 KPH over (after adjustment) 75€ with late payment and admin charge, and 2 lots of 100€ for the gendarames having to come out... they even have a € billing bank account bless em.

Zapped in France after I'd switched to Swissy plates, bill sent via Zurich Kantonal police, 100 kph in a 90 zone on the A10 fine 45€ with no admin charge... so it's not just food that is cheaper in France
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yes, there are bilateral agreements with pretty much all of the eu now regarding speeding and parking offenses, so no more get out of jail free cards anywhere

france,germany,switzerland and austria share database info, and have bilatteral agreement so yes it can be enforced.

the swiss dont tend to bother chasing up or sending tickets to UK plated cars in my experience - just on a side note.

and if you are in the UK on a non UK plate then no fear, uk does not have a system in place to deal with this event so far - unless you are stopped then its a bit harder
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the swiss dont tend to bother chasing up or sending tickets to UK plated cars in my experience - just on a side note
Just don't plan on bringing the car back to Switzerland, because one of the first things they do at the border is run a plate check.
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france,germany,switzerland and austria share database info, and have bilatteral agreement so yes it can be enforced.

the swiss dont tend to bother chasing up or sending tickets to UK plated cars in my experience - just on a side note.

and if you are in the UK on a non UK plate then no fear, uk does not have a system in place to deal with this event so far - unless you are stopped then its a bit harder

wrong!! see my previous post, TFL can and does go after non UK cars, other police forces too
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bother chasing up or sending tickets to UK plated cars in my experience - just on a side note.

and if you are in the UK on a non UK plate then no fear, uk does not have a system in place to deal with this event so far - unless you are stopped then its a bit harder
I'm not sure this is the case after 2009, prior to this ZH stadt police told me when they only contacted German plated cars as they would pay. Everyone else the fine was held on the system. My car was picked up while on French plates by a waspie on a random check while parked, and they pulled up 3 outstanding speeding ticket. The woman I was working for happened to spot the police who had been called, who in turn had called a tow truck. I paid the fines on the spot in cash, else it would have cost me the thick end of CHF 50 to get my car impounded and released.... thing is to remember is you a motorist and any minor transgression provides an easy revenue stream, and the Swiss have a long memory.
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Re: Speeding ticket in company car in France. Can payment be enforced?

Similar happened to a colleague of ours. He drove a car in CH with D plates and never bothered about parking fines - one day they picked him up when he parked in a particularly 'unusual' place and he was presented with a bill of over Fr.500.00 - all neatly listed fines he had ignored.
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